MvC3 similar to KoF12?!

[Kite]

I made a poll in another site about how the release of MvC3 match the release of King of Fighter 12 that is considered the worst KoF game in the series, because of it's lack of content, a properly working online, and their plans to finish the game later with DLC.
The comparison and the results of the poll shocked me. I was expecting to be called names and stuff, but many people appear to agree with me.

I decided to make a similar poll here to see your opinions as well!

Here is the topic.

*Both use by default 3v3 matches.
*Both came with a serious upgrade in Graphics.
*Both are considered Bare Bones games and barely have any modes other than the Arcade.
*Both had their character roster massively reduced with many favourites missing.
*Both had plans to fill up the missing content with DLC.
*Both had problematic online modes. In MvC3 case, it had very bad match making, very bad design decisions in lobbies, and horrible omissions in modes. KoF12 was just super lagy.
*Nether of them had any Story, other than a setting.
*Despite the omissions, the core fighting in both games was great.

Aside from the above there were other problems in both games.
KoF12 had bugs that were fixed with a patch. (a big patch...)
MvC3 still had some balancing issues with some characters that are about to be fixed.
KoF12 had a versus mode.
MvC3 had a mission mode.
MvC3 had some minor superiorities compared to KoF12, but its more inexcusable because it came out 2 years later by a company that is far bigger, and they had proven that they know how to make their games in the past, while SNK is a small Japanese company that barely survives.

The results on the other forum as of today (6mar2011) are:
16.13% The two releases are similar.
38.71% The two releases are almost similar.
25.81% MvC3 is vastly superior and more complete than KoF12.
19.35% Didn't know KoF12.

SNK's game was incomplete because they were doing something unthinkable for them and the game's history. For the first time they upgraded their graphics using a new engine, and they were redrawing all their sprites in HD from scratch.

Capcom's game on the other hand was incomplete because it was designed as a "starter pack", with 50% of the expected content missing, to be sold separately later as DLC.


The question is...
Why did KoF12 was considered a bad game and MvC3 a good one?!
I'm not saying that KoF12 was good, but MvC3 isn't much better.


For those who don't know what King of Fighters is, click here.

[ShinKagato]

I can kind of see what your going for but comparing MvC3 to KOF 12 is like comparing Vampire Savior to King of the Monsters.

King of Fighters 12 is a very odd title, for a start they made the very strange design choice of zooming the camera right in on the sprites rather than just bordering the screen or filling it out properly. This gave the game a really pixalated look that it didnt have on the original arcade hardware. Second thing is they reverted a lot of the fighters back to their KOF 95 move sets, Terry and Kyo suffered the most in this respect. Lastly, there was literally no story, nothing, not even an attempt at one which considering the legacy of the games before it was one of the really strangest things about the game.

Marvel vs Capcom 3 on the other hand is a great looking game, as good to watch as it is to play. Many of the fighters are new and the ones who return have had a lot of extra work done on them to make each one feel updated not downgraded as the fighters in KOF12 are. Lastly, although its not as good as the SFIV story, each fighter has their own endings and short as they are, many of them are entertaining.

I agree that both games could have used extra options, better online and perhaps a few extra fighters (in KOF i reckon an extra dozen!) but thats as far as the comparisons go. KOF has gone from one of the best fighters in history to a barely playable mess where as MvC3 has in my eyes at least progressed the series its a part of. I fully expect SNK to make amends with their next KOF game as they have always made quality games in the past (okay so World Heroes and Art of Fighting dont count) but i dont have anywhere near the same revulsion when playing MvC3 as i did when i tried to play KOF12.

If anyone from Capcom is reading this, lets see an SNK vs Capcom 2 and a Capcom vs SNK3! ^_^

[bluefunkymophead]

Piffle.
I'm no fanboy but I bought KoF when it came out on PS3 and found it almost unplayable. One of the worst games i've ever played. MvC3 is fine. Theres enough in there to keep me happy and my only 2 complaints about it are the endings are a bit naff, as usual, and the online is hit or miss both in connection and level of person you fight. Dlc merely prolongs the life of the game.
I've been gaming for 35 years now and i've played good and bad games. This by no means fits intot he category of bad in my opinion.

[Kite]

Well... I didn't expect any positive answers in this site.


I agree that KoF12 is boring, and aside from the total lack of content and bad online, it also has some strange decisions in the presentation.
But So does MvC3!
The cel shaded graphics lack lots of details that the sprites had, and the whole game appears very dark. Also there are some stages like the battleship were there are just so much thing going in the background, and I often confuse the flying stuffs in the background with projectiles.
Long story short. MvC3 graphics are not perfect ether!

As for King of Fighters 12, have you ever tried to play with a friend? This is what MvC3 does best, and so is KoF12! The bugs have been fixed after the 600mb patch, and the game doesn't require installation after it's download. KoF12 have less characters than MvC3, but it doesn't use tag matches for them to become mandatory. Even with the missing moves, the characters are well balanced.
Also it's not the first time ab instalment of KoF completely abandons story, but at least it does have a setting (the tournament recorded live n stuff).


Every problem KoF12 had, MvC3 has it in a similar form!
I personally find MvC3 as unappealing to boot and play as KoF12.
How the hell do people think of it as a great game!?

[bluefunkymophead]

I have this on both PS3 and on XBOX360. PS3 I play Arcade and online, XBOX360 I play with my boys in the living room one on one
The PS3 version seems a lot brighter and the sound is alot stronger and vibrant. Maybe its common that the Xbox version is just duller. The reason I play online with the PS3 is I refuse to pay to play online.

I like the graphics, they look very "comic book" which is what Capcom were aiming for and I like the control system. As i said i'm not fanboy, not at 40 LOL but I don't see why so many people are complaining so much. I have MVC 1 and 2 as well and this is by far my favorite of the 3.

Regarding stuff DLC. Well I'd have preferred alt costumes for free and extra characters for free but they aint. I'll pay for Shuma but not Jill. I'll pay for exta costumes for Wolvie, Akuma and maybe a few others that I use a lot but not others. Its called freedom of choice. For SSFIV I bought zero extra content but it hasn't ruined the game for me.

KOF was an abortion and should never have been released IMO LOL, BlazBlue for me was OK but not amazing. Mortal Kombat is what I'm really looking forward to this year at which point MVC3 will be relegated to the cupboard most of the time I guess. Its short of something, but its not an atrocity by any means. I just think that some stuff is so overhyped no matter how good it is upon release people won't be happy. I think thats what happened here.

[Kite]

Originally Posted by bluefunkymophead

I have this on both PS3 and on XBOX360.

Originally Posted by bluefunkymophead

As i said i'm not fanboy

OBJECTION
You seem to contradict your self here.
Even Fanboys don't buy the same game twice.

Originally Posted by bluefunkymophead

KOF was an abortion and should never have been released IMO LOL, BlazBlue for me was OK but not amazing.

To me it looks like you simply hate sprites, since these are the only HD sprite based games in this gen. ShinKagato's argument was valid about the KoF graphics, but I can't take yours seriously.

Originally Posted by bluefunkymophead

I just think that some stuff is so overhyped no matter how good it is upon release people won't be happy. I think thats what happened here.

The problem with this game is the exact opposite. People are calling it a masterpiece, when to me it's no different than KoF12, that I DO agree it was a bad game!

[JDK]

Originally Posted by Kite

Well... I didn't expect any positive answers in this site.

Predictable Response!

why did you post it here then?

also please remove the phoenix wright picture, it is inapropiate.

[bluefunkymophead]

Originally Posted by Kite

OBJECTION
Even Fanboys don't buy the same game twice.

I bought a copy for my PS3 which is MY machine. No one uses it except me. It is free to play online.
I bought a copy for the XBOX360 which is my 2 sons shared machine. They are 6 and 8. They are not allowed on XBOX Live due to their ages, me being a responsible parent and the fact it costs £40 A YEAR!

[lml_Behemoth_lml]

Kyo lost his Aragami/Dokugami combos and Iori lost his purple flames. i wont be playing any KOF until all of those come back.

[Kirais]

I think it is different.
kof12 was something like gt5 prologue, a teaser game released just to make money to survive 'till kof13 was finished.

mvc3 is a complete game.