View Full Version : So Capcom, going to ask Milestone to come back?
http://www.joystiq.com/2012/01/10/report-monumental-games-fires-remaining-employees/
I always knew in my heart it wasn't Capcom who failed us, as Gp08 was very good to say the least!
Looks like we will never see that games console they promised, or Football superstars, the first football MMO, or deer hunter online XD
Yeah, no Hunters World... But the good side of it is they won't be developing any MotoGP games any time soon...
Imagine the embarrassment they have caused Capcom!
Capcom could have had a semi successful MotoGP series if they just stayed put with Milestone!
Whoever lead them to Monumental was ignorant to say the least!
"In January last year the studio underwent a CEO switch (http://www.develop-online.net/news/36881/CEO-switch-at-Monumental-Games), with co-founder Rik Alexander handing the duties to Nick Wheelwright."
lol, I bet Rik saw the final build of MotoGP 09/10 and said- WTH did you guys do to MotoGP gaming, this is a joke! I'm out of here, hehe....
In the grant scheme of things I bet THQ knew exactly what they were doing when they let go of Climax/Black Rock and let go of the series and didn't fight for the Dorna license.
Honestly everyone needs to realize that Capcom and Milestone did a great job with MotoGP08, there after is a different story... But that is not directly Capcom's fault!
When they first announced monumental games was making moto gp, I though "hey a British games company, wonderful!" then I looked at their website and realised they had no idea what they were doing and I remember being quite rude to monumental games on this very forum, telling them how awful I thought they were, I even sent them a few e-mails asking if they knew they were a completely deluded company.
I even saw them on TV, all they did was play counter-strike and act like they were so amazing for working in the games industry.
To this day they are my most hated company of all time so two years on I am very happy to say, I told you so! :D
Although I have never actually played a MotoGP game I have heard they did a very poor job of it and it was Capcoms only series that hit the audience of sporty gamers rather than niche gamers they usually make games for so I think it played a big part of Capcom being the most hated games company of 2011
lol Sinister...
Hate is a strong word, I can't say "I hate" anyone..
But the reality is Monumental games sucks big time and completely destroyed MotoGP gaming and made Capcom look terrible to allot of MotoGP gaming fans....
There were some folks that were very excited over the switch from Milestone to Monumental as some of the developers from Black Rock, formerly Climax who developed the first MotoGP for PC to be ported to Xbox original and the launch demo for Xboxlive... Who worked on MotoGP3, which IMO sucked balls!
This is the dude that worked on GP3 by THQ/Climax- http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/greg-bryant/8/4a/62b Who also was the lead designer for MotoGP 09/10 etc.
From 2010- http://www.capcom-unity.com/motogp/go/thread/view/7441/22603373/Attention_TomGreg_Monumental...
I know the owners of Xboxliveaddicts were way up Monumentals arses and because THQ was to lazy to have their own website back in 2003/4 they gave the duties to Xbla and IMO their influence had a great deal as to why MotoGP gaming sucks today... They were totally excited about Monumental as the crew was part of Climax and even after the travesty MotoGP09/10, they still supported Monumental... Some of their members got the chance to go to Monumental studio in England to test the game and IMO how in the world didn't they laugh and tell Monumental to scratch it and start over?
The further MotoGP gaming can get away from Xbla and Monumental and become a PC exclusive is the day it will find its home! I've been saying this for years and now its all coming to the surface for the people who have followed the series and know the drama behind it all...
I supported Capcom from the start and ran the MotoGP forums over at Capcom Unity until I was let go over influence and drama.. But I'm still here to support Capcom... This has nothing to do with personal gain for me... Its all about MotoGP and my passion to see it find its rightful place in the gaming world!
I'm not saying that Xbla shouldn't be proud of their achievements as to where they came from and to what they became in the games industry... I just feel that when a site has influence over a developer because of a group of Xboxlive fans its unfair to the rest of the majority out there... Granted they had the resources to put Moumentals name out everyday on their site to promote them but promoting garbage is not healthy for the goal which is a awesome MotoGP game...
When they had no influence over the direction back when Gp07 (ps2) Capcom/Milestone and Gp08, the game was headed in a proper direction. That all came to an end when little birds started buzzing in peoples ears... But the people on the inside know the reality of it all....
Disclaimer- I mean no disrespect to anyone and this is not a smear by any means and if its taken in that manner then wear the shoe! You own it!
Although I have never actually played a MotoGP game
hahahahaha.im all for people having opinions but how can you know what you actually think of it without playing.muppet!!
lol Sinister...
Hate is a strong word, I can't say "I hate" anyone..
But the reality is Monumental games sucks big time and completely destroyed MotoGP gaming and made Capcom look terrible to allot of MotoGP gaming fans....
There were some folks that were very excited over the switch from Milestone to Monumental as some of the developers from Black Rock, formerly Climax who developed the first MotoGP for PC to be ported to Xbox original and the launch demo for Xboxlive... Who worked on MotoGP3, which IMO sucked balls!
This is the dude that worked on GP3 by THQ/Climax- http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/greg-bryant/8/4a/62b Who also was the lead designer for MotoGP 09/10 etc.
From 2010- http://www.capcom-unity.com/motogp/go/thread/view/7441/22603373/Attention_TomGreg_Monumental...
I know the owners of Xboxliveaddicts were way up Monumentals arses and because THQ was to lazy to have their own website back in 2003/4 they gave the duties to Xbla and IMO their influence had a great deal as to why MotoGP gaming sucks today... They were totally excited about Monumental as the crew was part of Climax and even after the travesty MotoGP09/10, they still supported Monumental... Some of their members got the chance to go to Monumental studio in England to test the game and IMO how in the world didn't they laugh and tell Monumental to scratch it and start over?
The further MotoGP gaming can get away from Xbla and Monumental and become a PC exclusive is the day it will find its home! I've been saying this for years and now its all coming to the surface for the people who have followed the series and know the drama behind it all...
I supported Capcom from the start and ran the MotoGP forums over at Capcom Unity until I was let go over influence and drama.. But I'm still here to support Capcom... This has nothing to do with personal gain for me... Its all about MotoGP and my passion to see it find its rightful place in the gaming world!
I'm not saying that Xbla shouldn't be proud of their achievements as to where they came from and to what they became in the games industry... I just feel that when a site has influence over a developer because of a group of Xboxlive fans its unfair to the rest of the majority out there... Granted they had the resources to put Moumentals name out everyday on their site to promote them but promoting garbage is not healthy for the goal which is a awesome MotoGP game...
When they had no influence over the direction back when Gp07 (ps2) Capcom/Milestone and Gp08, the game was headed in a proper direction. That all came to an end when little birds started buzzing in peoples ears... But the people on the inside know the reality of it all....
Disclaimer- I mean no disrespect to anyone and this is not a smear by any means and if its taken in that manner then wear the shoe! You own it!
as far as i know xbla was invited to monumental after they had made the game,i know i went,and what we said or given to them was thrown out the window.so it does seem a bit far fetched to add xbla into this.
ask capcom why they went with a company with hardly no record in the industry?
or even dorna why they went with capcom?
the problems come from the top.
dont blame the fans,its a bad day when fans become the problem.
pete.:chin:
Although I have never actually played a MotoGP game
hahahahaha.im all for people having opinions but how can you know what you actually think of it without playing.muppet!!
My opinion is of the company, which we can all agree was an awful company, and this article is about the company going bust, I never said anything about moto gp except that I have hear they did a bad job with it :P
I'm all for people commenting but they should learn to read first XD
as far as i know xbla was invited to monumental after they had made the game,i know i went,and what we said or given to them was thrown out the window.so it does seem a bit far fetched to add xbla into this.
ask capcom why they went with a company with hardly no record in the industry?
or even dorna why they went with capcom?
the problems come from the top.
dont blame the fans,its a bad day when fans become the problem.
pete.:chin:
First off, I have to defend Sinister Pete. He did only address the company mainly, not MotoGP...
2nd, Capcom is fine as a publisher and proved that with the release of MotoGP07 (Ps2) & 08 teamed up with Milestone... You yourself are obsessed with SBK2011, right Pete? So doesn't that mean that you like Milestones approach?
So you don't think its possible that Xbla had some influence to where Capcom took the series? Quite possible you were not paying attention back when I ran the Capcom Unity forums and all the drama began and the person I was corresponding with got bombarded with emails about me and how I deleted entire sections on the PC section of Xbla? This was done to get me out of where I was... And quite frankly where I was, was fine with your fearless leader until Capcom and Milestone announced a Xbox360 release for 08...
I must also point out the fact that your favored game at the moment is in no way connected to the likes of Xbla at all...
If I worked as hard as the owner of Xbla to bring my site to those proportions don't you think that I would have a bit of influence over promotion and direction? After all Pete it really comes down to monetary gain.. If you are pegged as the official site of the MotoGP series wouldn't that also play a role in the process?
Without being to out spoken and directly quoting anyone all I can do is say do your research, connect the dots...
Games where there was no Xbla involved at all- SBK2000/01, GP500, MotoGP1 and 2, (Climax) The Ps2 MotoGP series, MotoGP 07 (ps2) Capcom/Milestone MotoGP08 Capcom/Milestone... The SBK series, Black Bean/Milestone...
Those games were all good games in there own rights!
Games that IMO were influenced by Xbla, MotoGP3/06/07 all sucked... MotoGP 09/10, MotoGP 10/11, totally sucked!
out of those bunch there was also only 2 PC versions 3 and 07... But in the first group listed they all were on PC...
As a Publisher/Designer you must pay attention to the fan base and when we are talking about a niche' title its difficult to track down small pockets of MotoGP fan sites.. So when I say Xbla is/was pretty much the go to place for MotoGP between the years of 2004/10 that's not as if I'm saying bad things. Its a compliment really... But the fact is the site is Xbox driven and narrow sited in terms of that fact and MotoGP is not fit for being a Kinect Xboxlive title with no PC version...
In fact its more suited for PC exclusive!
Point is there is a bigger picture always and I can pin point many examples of "he said, she said" but that's worthless to the cause. I'm just trying to make it seen where the series crumbled and why!
MotoGP is strictly a niche' title and niche' titles are back pocket treats for the brave Publisher/Developer...
I commend Monumental and Xbla staff on trying to make MotoGP a popular title but in the process it completely ruined it and that is totally obvious!
The ones who got hurt in the mean time are first and foremost the fans and Capcom...
Maybe I'm completely off the mark here Pete, but if you do the math it all adds up.
Disclaimer- I mean no disrespect to anyone. Xbla members or staff...
PS- Maybe Ubisoft and and the fired staff of Monumental will team up next for another failure... If you don't get that, your lost!
first of all.....
a company should be judged by its product.
second....
moto gp 08 was fine apart from it didnt work online,as 09/10/11.capcoms fault i do believe,in all cases.
third...
i dont believe we as gamers have ever really been listened too.im sure xbla have there own intentions but mine are to try get people racing and sbk is that game...for xbox.i think as game have grown and money pots have got bigger,bike games have been left behind.with 10 lads in a shoe box in nottingham........
and finally...
moto gp is dead,capcom and monumental are gone. i predict the next installment will have a slight incline in sales followed by the normal....."oh no double tap" or "i want a trailing rear brake " and then sales will slump.a fickle bunch bike racers..........change is never good ;)
pete
Good post Pete!
I'm glad it was you who went to Monumental studio to play the game and give an opinion as if it was me I would have rotted their ears off!
Also Pete, I honestly don't mean any disrespect towards fans of the series or Xbla staff, but there are inside dealings and IMO I know where this was taken to, to suit the needs of the person/people on the inside...
Hats off to you for moving forward and adapting!
PS- I must point out that when the PS3 version of MotoGP 08 was released it didn't have voice chat and I bitched about it to Capcom and they supplied a patch, so I really respect Capcom as a company and honestly feel they made a few poor choices... I won't hold that over them!!
Capcom really should get the license for another term and hook back up with Milestone IMO...
capcom....another term.....who is this??
has someone hacked walkens account???:p
im really pleased ps3 got an update.its 2012 now,can xbox have one?? what a pathetic joke capcom are imo.you must want your job back:whack:
we see this from different angles i think. most xbla gamers hate moto gp 9/10/11 so any in house chatter must have fallen on deaf ears.and yes i gave them a big sheet of a4 filled with all ideas from gamers i met while racing,not from xbla......but eitherway,nobody...and let me say this again..NOBODY WAS LISTENED TOO!!
fact is they had the second game virtually penned in when i went(i even played it) and 9/10 had only been out a few weeks....so what good if any could have came from it.
but my hatred of the game does not stem to the people.as mad as i am about the whole situation.its not what they or us wanted.
capcom clamped down on ideas,as did dorna.
i feel everyone but the gamers are to blame,but we suffer for it!!
pete
ps.for legal reasons all above is a lie.....honest:spy:
pps. im not even pistol.....im just a pretending and any resemblence written here is purely coinsidental.
I've been banned from Xbla. I did get a bit of a chance to speak with Greg in the chat box at Xbla but the problem over there is no negativity is tolerated. If I speak freely there I'm gone!
If it was my site I would have told Monumental the get their act together and also would have made it known that I wouldn't promote garbage on my site!
But in fear of losing the "developer communication" that wasn't the case...
Its all for brownie points!
brownie points.......
well having seen other websites nominate moto gp for game of the year( i kid you not)im sure your right....no...i know you are.no argument there!!
i can understand xbla's position as a business,i have been "told off" a few times too. we must remember its a business controlled by the devs,a few bad choice words and its no more info for you and to compete as a website you need a few insiders,info etc.but is it right for website to fear telling it how it is for fear of no contact in the future or is it the devs who cant handle the truth and act like commies that are the problem?
i blame the devs.
pete
Yeah I have seen the awards and such.. Its amazing how a site can give praise to such horrible development.
In terms of Xbla, maybe my stance on their views is a bit clouded by the fact that we use to be friends until I had an opinion that differed and success is more important than friendship in the game industry..
The exciting thing about the whole journey Pete is the fact that its 2012 and I'm on a site for MotoGP gaming and I'm still able to talk to fans of the game and enjoy that!
I always felt that Mush had an in with the right people in the industry to have leverage and get the points across to the the right people.. But it was the narrow minded (if everything is good on xboxlive then its all good) thought, that puts me apart from that thinking... I never saw it from outside MotoGP gaming... I never cared about Xboxlive being the place certain for MotoGP. I always felt that PC should be the first and foremost direction for MotoGP... Console should enjoy ports of such a serious minded sport brought to a virtual environment...
I think PC will be the place for bike racing from here on out as making MotoGP a block buster for xboxlive is pointless... So if I'm racing on PC and see no names from Xbla then that means its not about MotoGP but rather Xboxlive and their clique of friends...
quoting myself- "PS- Maybe Ubisoft and and the fired staff of Monumental will team up next for another failure... If you don't get that, your lost!" end quote.
quoting Mush-"
No MotoGP as Monumental have had problems and no SBK penciled in for this year, however we (Ubisoft) do have Trials Evolution coming soon. Capcom also lose the license for MotoGP this year so you never know http://www.xboxliveaddicts.co.uk/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif
Source-
http://www.xboxliveaddicts.co.uk/forums/topic/56809-sbk2011-thank-you-milestone/page__pid__326954__st__60#entry326954
Wow, not one day after my post and that surfaces, lol... Lets see what happens? If Ubisoft gets the Dorna license for 2013 then you can't tell me Xbla doesn't have some influence over the fate of MotoGP gaming.
I love the infamous wink! Its like the kiss of death, hehe... Also the quote sounds like a sales pitch... Besides, &*^% Ubisoft and there DRM garbage!
Disclaimer- once again I mean no disrespect to anyone, just pointing out things is all... Nothing personal!
Edit- http://www.vg247.com/2010/03/19/report-steam-drops-ubisoft-drm-titles-from-line-up/
Ubisoft isn't a very good company considering those actions and imagine if MotoGP was published by them, lol.... DRM, pffffffffff seriously, that is the worst crap ever... even pirates don't want to pirate ubisoft stuff to not promote them as a company in any way shape or form!
CRuTcHL3y o
06-04-12, 16:46
Hey guys i hear you are discussing future moto gp games (if there are to be any hopefully) see i have a thread with peoples suggestions on in attempt to show future developers want we all want to see in the new game, post your ideas and complaints on the thread below monumental developers have checked so hopeful future developers will too
many thanks.
http://www.capcom-europe.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70902
http://www.joystiq.com/2012/01/10/report-monumental-games-fires-remaining-employees/
I always knew in my heart it wasn't Capcom who failed us, as Gp08 was very good to say the least!
bollocks bollocks bollocks...:D
who handed the contract to the lowest bidder?? who?? was it you? was it me?
NO IT WAS CRAPCOM!!!!
pete
benjaminrain
24-05-12, 03:04
I've popped in here once or twice in the past few months - and kind of keeping up on what's going on around here.
But, I've been piddling around about this and decided to finally join this discussion board
because I feel like I have to say something about it!
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[quote=benjaminrain;1100402]I've popped in here once or twice in the past few months - and kind of keeping up on what's going on around here.
But, I've been piddling around about this and decided to finally join this discussion board
because I feel like I have to say something about it!
endquote]
Hi Ben... So what is it you have to say about what? :chin:
xSuperSic58
08-06-12, 14:53
I hope another GP game will be made, I dont ask for to much improvement from 08, that was a good game, the online racing and leaderboards were so close, i played that game like everyday for a year online, was so much fun! 09/10 and 10/11 were.....well terrible really lol, to arcady for me and everything was just horrible!
Who gave the contract to the lowest bidder?
I hope another GP game will be made, I dont ask for to much improvement from 08, that was a good game, the online racing and leaderboards were so close, i played that game like everyday for a year online, was so much fun! 09/10 and 10/11 were.....well terrible really lol, to arcady for me and everything was just horrible!
GP 08 was a year away from being the best GP game. They had quite a bit sorted out all except the online and the fact that you couldn't tweak your bike online. All this has been talked about for years. Someone could make the greatest game in the world had they listened to us for once. But they thought they knew better. LOL, guess they didn't.