New assets from DMC Devil May Cry (E3 Update) [Archive]

CaptainCortez

22-01-11, 21:23

I don't reckon we'll see anything for at least a few more months yet, but I'm sure a lot of the true fans are thinking the same thing.

The game may be a reboot, and it may be very far from what we're used to, but I'd say a lot of us are hoping for some more information soon, just so we can see how the game is actually shaping up.

The teaser at TGS didn't give us too much to go on, and just because it's a reboot, it'd be a bit silly to rule it out completely.

It's still Devil May Cry, and Capcom still want the original DMC material/DNA to remain, so I want to see how it looks now, and what it has to offer, and naturally just how true it's staying to the series we know and love.

With the amount of backlash there was (and still is), I'd say that the reactions have been blown totally out of proportion, and we're not going to know what it's really like until a LOT more information becomes available to us.

So, it's a fair question from Megaman, and I personally back it.

Dante2014

23-01-11, 14:09

I guess they'll reveal a "hook" to keep us interested in the not so distant future, I'm just hoping that the idea of the reboot alone isn't said hook.

They'll really have to impress with a new combat system or feature if they want to win us over and compensate for past silliness on their part. It'll be very difficult winning some people over since it was such a shock to begin with, but I reckon they can pull it off if certain people keep quiet (you know who), and we're nicely updated with facts about the game, and not how its going to be "better because X was Y".

I'm still keeping an open mind on this, its early days yet, things can be tweaked and changed, for example, in the DMC4 trailers, Dante frolicked in the snow and shot up a TV before we got solid facts on Nero.

CaptainCortez

23-01-11, 14:34

Well yea, I mean the game changed a lot from what we originally saw of DMC4. Dante was different in the teaser, and then there was a picture of him in the snow, looking different again, and then we had the Dante featured in the game.

Gotta say though, I still think Nero was a healthy addition to the series. I really like/d him, but the only downer was that the game was more catered for him as opposed to Dante.

I asked Leo ages back if I could attend a first to play event for this (whenever that is) as DMC was the reason I originally signed up to these forums, all those years back.

Hopefully all of us die hard fans will be there. I mean there's myself, you, Carb, Ryu and probably a few others who I haven't mentioned, but I'd just really like a first hand experience with the game to get to grips with it, and see how much/little has changed with this new release.

Capcom made Dante awesome in MvC3, so I doubt they'd let him come across as a rubbish smoker junkie who severely pales in comparison to the Dante we know and love.

Plus, if Asura's Wrath is anything to go on, the game might actually manage to look good on the Unreal Engine.

Dante2014

23-01-11, 19:19

Yeah, I'd say I'm in the group currently in limbo (no pun intended), If I buy or forget this game depends on how it feels when I play it, but even then its tricky since I'd have to play a maxed out character to see how deep the system is.

DMC3 was a very good game because they had listened to all the complaints and fixed it as necessary from there. People complained about lack of story in DMC2? Cutscenes at the start and end of nearly stage, People complained about only swords? Add new weapons.

Hopefully, they'll look at DMC4 and fix all the complaints from there as well as adding new stuff on top of that, and hopefully looking at past DMC games for inspiration and not simply whipping up their own interpretation and leaving it at that, they definitely have to follow the mythos of the DMC universe.

I'm hoping that they stay the hell away from Heavenly Sword's engine, as I didn't really enjoy it, it felt far too complex and sticky in places, don't even get me started on motion control... I will rue the day they say "hey, let's copy and paste the control system and make each of the Heavenly Swords forms fit Dante's loadout!"

Characters don't bother me in appearance since that could change, either in development or we may see alternative costumes or even appearances change during the course of the story. But how well he fights and how likable the finished product is will determine if he's a Dante or THE Dante.

II ARROWS

25-01-11, 19:35

for example, in the DMC4 trailers, Dante frolicked in the snow and shot up a TV before we got solid facts on Nero.Bad example, Nero is not a good playable character... Dante Kicks him with bare HANDS.

It's still Devil May CryNo, it's not.

And accept that stupid things like that happen to a great game, just like happen to Metroid, is not honorable. Seeing player that accept these disrupting piece of **** happen, let them teasing players, just makes me angry...

Dante2014

25-01-11, 19:57

Bad example, Nero is not a good playable character... Dante Kicks him with bare HANDS.

Wait what? since when do people kick with bare hands....

Nero was a very limited character, but not a dreadful as most people would assume, he had an excellent personality and wasn't a carbon copy of Dante.

But I expected more from his fighting style, the developers must have thought that the Devil Bringer mechanic would fill in the gap left by lack of weapons, it didn't, I think a fully powered Nero is equal to what I wanted half way through the game, and not in its entirety.

No, it's not.

Yes, it is.

And accept that stupid things like that happen to a great game, just like happen to Metroid, is not honorable. Seeing player that accept these disrupting piece of **** happen, let them teasing players, just makes me angry...

Fair enough its a reboot, but you're jumping to conclusions, I'll believe you when you've played it and can give me a solid educated fact instead of blowing off because you don't like it.

II ARROWS

25-01-11, 20:44

Wait what? since when do people kick with bare hands...Since DMC4. Oh, and Chuck Norris.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcxthg885ZY

Nero was a very limited character, but not a dreadful as most people would assume, he had an excellent personality and wasn't a carbon copy of Dante.No, he's not. But how you just said, he was not what it should have been...
We've played the best Dante EVER, but only for a few missions.
Also, the first trailer of DMC 4 was just a few seconds of Dante in the snow...

Not a full trailer of two minutes of a brat smoking a moving like a puppet without the speed that DMC always had.

I'll believe you when you've played it and can give me a solid educated fact instead of blowing off because you don't like it.I already explained that in the old threads about this.
Sit down and say "Hey, maybe they can do something good. Just wait" won't change Edward-like's idea. I don't even remember his name, and I don't want to.

CaptainCortez

25-01-11, 22:21

Sorry Arrows, but it is still DMC, whether you're happy with it or not.

Why are people like Dante, Carbonox and myself still willing to give it a go? Because we have to, as true fans of the series would. You can't ever be sure of something until you've tried it at least once. I'm not one to follow crowds and haven't ever been, so would like to form my own opinion of the new title after giving it a try hopefully sometime in the next year or two.

There's not really any similarity between the new Dante and Edward Cullen from Twilight. That's just the reaction of hundreds of people thinking they're clever for copying whoever came up with the silly comment in the first place.

If you think you're a true fan, give it a try.

I don't agree with the smoking, and it's a lot slower paced, but if it gets faster as you progress through the story, and actually turns out to be an awesome game, you'd be kicking yourself for not trying it, whether you admit to it or not.

II ARROWS

25-01-11, 23:40

There's not really any similarity between the new Dante and Edward Cullen from Twilight.I wasn't comparing them... I was comparing the director...

CaptainCortez

25-01-11, 23:44

Same applies. He looks like neither the Director (Tameem) or Robert Pattinson.

II ARROWS

25-01-11, 23:56

It's neither easthetic...

Dante2014

26-01-11, 00:48

Guys, guys, the subject here is assets and when we expect them to be revealed and what they could be, not just the whole argument about the direction and reboot all over again, I'm getting sick of having to try and find a sensible discussion on this without someone jumping in exclaiming "THATS NOT DANTE! BOYCOTT DMC!"...

If we could kindly get back to the subject at hand, I'll be happy to participate, if not, I'll ask this thread be locked.

If you don't like how the game is going and can't make peace with it or suggest anything, don't post here, it's that simple.

CaptainCortez

26-01-11, 01:21

Haha, I wasn't arguing. Was more trying to explain that he should just form his own opinion AFTER playing the new game.

It was along the lines of what you were trying to say to him anyway, from what I gather as I'm on the same boat as you.

Like I said, I want more information and then we'll have more to discuss. ;)

You're a part of this too Dante. There's no crawling away from this. Besides, my post was constructive. :p

Okami

03-02-11, 02:36

I for one can't wait to see how the origin story is going to fit in to the series seeing as 3 went into dantes past with virgil.

II ARROWS

06-02-11, 18:47

It IS NOT an "origin" story.

LeonBelmontX

08-02-11, 11:20

Yeah, it is. I don't want it to be - but it is.

http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/112/1129209p1.html

"This is meant to be an origin story, so this is Dante before you knew who Dante was," he explained. "There is going to be some interesting changes and twists to what people think they know about Dante or where he came from. We aren't planning on deviating greatly from the path that is there."

II ARROWS

08-02-11, 22:54

No, it's not. It's not in the same universe.

Or at least this is how it has been announced.

LeonBelmontX

09-02-11, 09:29

It's not a different universe.

There's been a lot of confusion over this - they originally used the term "reboot" which made everyone think that they were starting from scratch - but what they actually meant was a reboot to the game's style and envisioning of Dante.

They've never once stated that it's non-canon to the DMC timeline, only used the word "reboot" in the wrong sense.

Trust me, I'd rather this wasn't connected so it could be cut off and forgotten, but that's the way it is.

CaptainCortez

09-02-11, 10:43

Well from every bit of information I've been told and read, it seems as though a large majority of the series is staying true to what we already know, but there are some changes being implemented.

If you think about it though, we've always had the story told to us via narration mainly, and if you compare this to reality, what happens when something happens long ago and is retold by many people over the years?

Well, what actually happens is that the original story changes over time and people misinterpret things, adding their own bits to the story and hearing things that didn't actually happen, meaning that the actual facts become warped out of all proportions and almost completely disappear. Nobody will know what happened unless they were there, and over time your own memories can go a little fuzzy, making you remember things differently.

So, to me this is suggesting that we will experience what actually happened during Dante's (and anyone else involved) childhood/youth before DMC3.

I was completely opposed to the idea at first as well, but I have a good deal of faith right now and am looking forward to being able to try it at a first to play event at Capcom, seeing as DMC was the original reason I signed up to these forums seven years ago. :p

LeonBelmontX

09-02-11, 11:37

Personally my biggest worry is the fact that Ninja Theory have been given the project to work on. While I dislike the change to Dante's look and personality, if it were Capcom working on the game I'd feel safe in the knowledge that they'd get the gameplay right.

Since I haven't liked any of NT's work so far - coupled with the fact I don't like the new Dante - it leaves me thinking that nothing I love about DMC will be left feeling the same in DmC. DMC is all about Dante, and it's gameplay.

onlyonet

10-02-11, 09:03

CaptainCortez

10-02-11, 09:18

Haha, well from what you told Alex and I at the Christmas party, and from the little bits that Leo told me, I'm keeping my hopes up.

I'm not going to repeat it as when I typed something up that Leo told me, I think I might have got him into trouble a little, so out of respect for the Capcom staff, I'm not going to elaborate on anything. Plus, it's awesome that being a regular on the forums means you're more likely to get insider information.

Oh and if anyone above Onlyonet and Leo at Capcom are reading this, don't worry, I was probably only told stuff that they're allowed to say without giving too much away, so don't get them in trouble! :p

Aside from the above, I really am looking forward to a first to play event, as I really want to see where the series is going.

The ideal thing would be to have Ninja Theory's story telling skills mixed with Reuben Langdon's motion capturing and Capcom's high octane fighting capabilities.

My only gripe at the minute is the music. DMC1 and 3 got the music right, but the music in the quick teaser for DmC is pretty atrocious. Hopefully that will change and we'll get more classic hardcore electro tunes pumping out!

E3 would be ideal to release more information, and because of this, I'm expecting more news of the title around that time.

Megaman

10-02-11, 10:33

LeonBelmontX

10-02-11, 11:16

There are a lot of opinions, and people passing off rumours as 'fact' on what was a 90 second trailer... Just wait and see. Some of the vitriol is incredible. I guarantee there will be a few sheepish people changing their mind when more information is released. And as for when that'll be... wait and see :D

As for concerns over NT development skills please don't worry. Capcom are heavily involved in the development of all it's IP being worked upon by outside parties. The exact same concerns were raised over Dead Rising 2 being made by Blue Castle games, which were totally ill founded, on what was an excellent game that ‘got’ everything that made the first game so amazing.

When searching for developers to work for Capcom look for companies who skills match up with our own. It's a perfect marriage of talent and ideas. Like a marriage where one partner likes to cook and the other in the marriage likes to eat!

NT are renowned for the quality of their production everything from motion capture, scripting, design and performance, areas perhaps areas that Capcom have been criticised over the past few years? Capcom bring to the table years of experience with design of fighting systems, characters and the little things that make DMC, well DMC.

Combine all the best elements of Capcom and Ninja Theory you will have one of the greatest DMC titles ever created… and that people is what we’re working towards.

I appreciate the response, and it does make me feel slightly less worried.

However, seeing as I really didn't like Heavenly Sword or Enslaved, it's hard to imagine Ninja Theory being able to do a good job of a DMC game. Seeing as my favourites were DMC1-3, and 4 disappointed me in terms of weaponry and unlockables, I'm worried that the series will drift away from what I loved about the original. I understand we don't know everything yet - but gathering the few bits we do know, I just have a hard time picturing this ending well.

Dante is my favourite character in gaming, and DMC is one of my favourite games so... I'm a little wary about change - we've yet to have a title as good (in terms of replayability) as DMC3 this generation, and I'm hoping that we'll see one someday. I must have spent more time playing DMC3 and DMC3:SE than any other game on the PS2, I never got bored.

I just wish we had a little more information, it feels as though Capcom made the announcement and just left us hanging with a bad taste in our mouths - they even said that they expected the backlash so it's not really as though the fans are to blame. We just care about the direction of the series and hope it doesn't go horribly wrong.

On a side note, I thought DMC1,2 and 4's scripting and motion capture were brilliant. I think the only thing missing in DMC4 was the variety that DMC3 offered in it's combat - but the actual cutscenes, visuals and control were awesome.

onlyonet

10-02-11, 13:23

I appreciate the response, and it does make me feel slightly less worried.

However, seeing as I really didn't like Heavenly Sword or Enslaved, it's hard to imagine Ninja Theory being able to do a good job of a DMC game.

Why? This isn't a sequel to Enslaved or Heavenly Sword! This is DMC it has nothing to do with previous titles the developer has created. In the same way that Dead Rising 2 wasn't similar to baseball game 'the bigs' that Blue Castle developed prior to the Multimillion selling DR2, and the same way that SFIV co developed by Dimps had nothing to do with Sonic The Hedgehog 4!

Working with a developer is a lot more than looking at their previous games. But the skills that they have and what they can bring to the table and how our skills at Capcom can benefit them in our marriage.

Seeing as my favourites were DMC1-3, and 4 disappointed me in terms of weaponry and unlockables, I'm worried that the series will drift away from what I loved about the original. I understand we don't know everything yet - but gathering the few bits we do know, I just have a hard time picturing this ending well.

So we haven’t had a good DMC for 8 years? DMC4 had lost it's mojo in your and many other fans eyes? If anything then we need to explore how to get back to the fun, excitement and enjoyment of the first three games while reatining the core DNA that make the games so unique?

Would you agree that was the most important thing?

Dante is my favourite character in gaming, and DMC is one of my favourite games so... I'm a little wary about change - we've yet to have a title as good (in terms of replayability) as DMC3 this generation, and I'm hoping that we'll see one someday. I must have spent more time playing DMC3 and DMC3:SE than any other game on the PS2, I never got bored.

Can totally understand this, i'd probably be the same.

But we haven’t handed over the family silver to some strangers we are working with Ninja Theory on this together. We believe that by going down this route we can breath new life into the franchise and make a game that sits above DMC3 for this generation.

I just wish we had a little more information, it feels as though Capcom made the announcement and just left us hanging with a bad taste in our mouths - they even said that they expected the backlash so it's not really as though the fans are to blame. We just care about the direction of the series and hope it doesn't go horribly wrong.

We were surprised at the reaction its received, we'd hope that some fans might have gone to more depth to look a bit closer at things in the trailer (a few have done).

I promise that the game is in very good hands of extremely talented developers both at Capcom and Ninja Theory

On a side note, I thought DMC1,2 and 4's scripting and motion capture were brilliant. I think the only thing missing in DMC4 was the variety that DMC3 offered in it's combat - but the actual cut scenes, visuals and control were awesome.

But the loading stages, the old school linear level design, were a hassle?!

Lets be honest they were great games (averageing in the low 80's on metacritic) but not perfect. We’re now aiming to make the perfect DMC game that gets 90's

LeonBelmontX

10-02-11, 14:09

OK - well I'm not saying it won't be a good game, I just think it's easy to be unsettled when a company I didn't like were getting involved in a game I loved. As a consumer, I don't really know anything about the ins and outs of what developers are capable of, only my experiences with their previous work. I admit that I can't really say whether the gameplay will be as good until we see some more.

It just seems that changes are going to be drastic with the new style, and the whole image of the new Dante did hit a nerve. It really gave the impression that the series is being adapted for a new market and leaving it's roots - while I don't like to judge the game solely on it's character, it does look like Dante's going to be a totally different tone - which can in turn affect the tone of the whole game. It looks brutal where it used to be playful.

While I know I might be being overly judgemental at an early stage, the news we've had is just a little confusing. It's been said that people don't like the old Dante, and that they were going for something new - yet claimed that it will show how Dante becomes who he is - which seems a bit of a contradiction if they're trying to change him.

I just think... while I'm sure you're probably right and the game will be good - the few bits of information we've been given have only given bad impressions. And while it's not great to judge everything on one video, it's all we've got :(

But the loading stages, the old school linear level design, were a hassle?!

I never really found the loading screens or the level designs to be a problem, but I'm not sure exactly what you meant by this.

CaptainCortez

10-02-11, 14:14

Why? This isn't a sequel to Enslaved or Heavenly Sword! This is DMC it has nothing to do with previous titles the developer has created. In the same way that Dead Rising 2 wasn't similar to baseball game 'the bigs' that Blue Castle developed prior to the Multimillion selling DR2, and the same way that SFIV co developed by Dimps had nothing to do with Sonic The Hedgehog 4!

I really had no idea you were working with the people who did Sonic 4 on Street Fighter 4. That came out really well, and Dead Rising 2 was also a great hit, so I'd say Capcom definitely know what they're doing. It's just a bit to take in, having possibly Capcom's best franchise ever being leant to another company who drastically changed his design.

It's fine though. The plot is interesting even if I don't like some aspects such as smoking or the rubbing of cigarette ash onto an enemies face. I didn't like the whip weapon either, but hey, that's just something minor.

So we haven’t had a good DMC for 8 years? DMC4 had lost it's mojo in your and many other fans eyes? If anything then we need to explore how to get back to the fun, excitement and enjoyment of the first three games while reatining the core DNA that make the games so unique? Would you agree that was the most important thing?

I would, and I know that a lot more Capcom employees are working on this with Ninja Theory, and not just the initial three Capcom members already mentioned in previous news.

We were surprised at the reaction its received, we'd hope that some fans might have gone to more depth to look a bit closer at things in the trailer (a few have done).

Dante was very sluggish in the trailer, and when he was in the rehab room, his eyes flashed images of DMC2 Dante.

The music was particularly bad, and his appearance wasn't very Dante like, even though the concept image is pretty cool and close to the original we know and love.

A lot of people did however notice white in his hair, but for all of the above, we need more information to become available to us, in order to work out most of what's going on.

I mean I originally thought it was somebody else entirely, but when it was confirmed that it was Dante, that's where the shock initially came in.

But the loading stages, the old school linear level design, were a hassle?!

Lets be honest they were great games (averageing in the low 80's on metacritic) but not perfect. We’re now aiming to make the perfect DMC game that gets 90's

The only thing wrong with DMC4 for me was the fact you had to fight the same bosses three times throughout the course of the game, when in previous DMC titles (well, DMC1), every time you had a rematch with that particular boss, they appeared in different forms with bigger and better moves. That is what's awesome and needs to return (in my opinion).

it does look like Dante's going to be a totally different tone - which can in turn affect the tone of the whole game. It looks brutal where it used to be playful.

That is quite possibly the comment I agree with most of all. I don't like the dark tone of things. I mean Dante may be in a bad place which would explain the brutality, but surely he could still be kept playful, but maybe just have a lot more cynicism and pull off more sarcastic jokes.

As I said though, I'm looking forward to trying the game out and seeing more information as it becomes available.

LeonBelmontX

10-02-11, 14:24

The only thing wrong with DMC4 for me was the fact you had to fight the same bosses three times throughout the course of the game, when in previous DMC titles (well, DMC1), every time you had a rematch with that particular boss, they appeared in different forms with bigger and better moves. That is what's awesome and needs to return (in my opinion).

Haha the thing that really bugged me about that was that the best boss (Credo), was the only one you didn't get a rematch with!

I didn't mind the whole re-fight thing, but it was a bit lame that most of Dante's bosses were just re-fights of Nero's recycled into a few levels. DMC1 did the re-fights much better.

CaptainCortez

10-02-11, 14:36

Well, in some ways the pace and fights of DMC1 were flawless.

I loved the darker setting of the original, as it actually had elements of horror. DMC3 although great, lost all of that and went for all out action and cheese. I loved the game, but DMC1 is still the best by all accounts.

Also, Credo was probably the coolest boss of DMC4, although I absolutely loved Echidna. Such an awesome design for her. I also miss the weird moving and living walls and backgrounds of the original, and how the world was changing and became increasingly darker as the game progressed.

The room with Phantom was like a pristinely kept church at first, and when you went back there later to fight Nightmare, the floor had dips in it, the walls were moving and had things growing on them like big tentacles, and everything was warped out of shape and looked a lot darker.

It was also awesome when you returned to the castle, all of the lights were out, and the corridors changed. Every boss rematch was harder and better than before, and being stalked down a corridor by a gigantic spider (Phantom again) was awesome. Then, when you went into the heart of hell or the demon realm, you were literally running through living tissued walls.

LeonBelmontX

10-02-11, 14:40

Ah, good memories. DMC1 was the first game that really pushed me. When I first played it, I was 15 and I couldn't beat Phantom - I gave up for weeks before returning to the game. When I finally beat him, I was challenged again and again by new levels and bosses, one of the most satisfying games of my life so far.

Then, there was Nightmare. *shudders*

DMC1 was amazing, and probably is the best as a single experience. DMC3 just had amazing longevity and replay value - not to mention all the weapon/style options. I'm still wishing for a DMC Trilogy HD port for PS3.

I can't wait to play as Dante in MvC3 next week!

/offtopic

CaptainCortez

10-02-11, 14:56

DMC3 had some awesome weapons. I especially loved the Cerberus nun chucks, and my favourite boss fight was against Nevan, and the fact she turned into an awesome guitar that I could use to kill enemies with noise was insanely cool. :D

DMC1 actually scared me when I first played it. That's how much horror was there, and I think I was about 15 at the time of playing it too (I'm 23 now), but it was the intense difficulty of it that kept me coming back to it!

Phantom was pretty badass and a really hard fight, but then when I started to go through hard mode, I found out the hard way that you end up with 3 shadowcats in the hallway with you! I was like "this is ridiculous", and Nelo Angelo (my favourite boss fight of all time from any game) was as good as you, the player. I think it took me about 26 retries to beat him on hard mode, and then some jealous guy deleted my save. I was not happy!

onlyonet

10-02-11, 15:59

CaptainCortez

10-02-11, 16:03

Are you allowed to post a link up so I can have a look at the discussion? If you are, please can you, as the only DMC page I can find is a fan made one.

Thanks Stu. :)

LeonBelmontX

10-02-11, 16:06

DMC1 actually scared me when I first played it. That's how much horror was there, and I think I was about 15 at the time of playing it too (I'm 23 now), but it was the intense difficulty of it that kept me coming back to it!

I'm also 23 now, and I found it pretty scary as well. The music was quite discomforting, the marionettes were sometimes statue-like before they came to life, and the noises that the Sins made was creepy, how they laughed/cried even after being defeated.

Like i say there is a lot more in the trailer - beyond his hair - that a couple of Facebook users have worked out and are discussing in the comments section. Including how smoking and mugshots fit into the DMC story arc.

I can't say too much more than i have already but we ultimately aim to work with Ninja Theory to create the greatest DMC thats ever been made.

Thanks OnlyOneT, I know you can't say much so I understand it must be frustrating! I'll look up those discussions when I get a chance.

Megaman

10-02-11, 16:52

Like i say there is a lot more in the trailer - beyond his hair - that a couple of Facebook users have worked out and are discussing in the comments section. Including how smoking and mugshots fit into the DMC story arc.

I can't say too much more than i have already but we ultimately aim to work with Ninja Theory to create the greatest DMC thats ever been made.

onlyonet you know a lot more but just say nothing anymore! :)

Now I have full 100% trust in DMC Devil May Cry now you answered something... . than leaving us in the dark... .

anyway at release date as said before by me I buy it on release date!

CaptainCortez

10-02-11, 17:01

Well looky what I found:

Not taken from me, taken from someone on the Kotaku forums.

AdmiralJohnson
"There's a LOT going on in this trailer. Watch it again. This kid, whoever he is, is in this cell for psychological rehabilitation. That much is clear. You can see over the course of the trailer that the combat scenes blend into the scenes in the center via bizarre transitions (ala Assassin's Creed), many of which focus on the kid's eyes.

Pay particular attention to 1:17, when the kid receives an electric shock in the cell and is reacting in the combat scene.

It looks to me like the action in this game is going to be taking place within the psychotic delusions of this random kid, who is NOT Dante. I think the most telling line of all is this kid saying "My name is Dante" at the end. This trailer has some intense, intentional unreliability going on here.

My question is, why does this kid think he's Dante?"

Thoughts?

If this is right, then I was right in the first place, but somebody at Capcom confirmed the kid in the trailer as being Dante!

My original thought way back last year was this:

"I get the impression that this person isn't really Dante, but in fact a kid who believes he's Dante, and he's going through psyche evaluation treatment because he's a bit mental".

If that's the case then I was right from the start, and the Dante who's going to be in the game might end up being the Dante with white hair who we see in the kids eyes, that looks almost identical to Devil May Cry 2's Dante.

Maybe it's Capcom's way of trying to make us like some aspects of Devil May Cry 2. :p

I didn't hate DMC2, but the huge gameplay areas weren't needed for such lacking combat.

Anyway, opinions on this?

Edit: Also, if any of you remember, Tony Redgrave was etched into Dante's guns, so although in some instances this was supposedly him taking on the persona of someone made up, in the original drafts for Devil May Cry 1, Tony Redgrave was supposedly a partner of Dante's (I just found that out from reading something), so maybe Capcom will go into all of this instead, as at the minute it's pretty much uncharted territory for us DMC fans.

What if Tony Redgrave was his best mate growing up, who then died.

Looks like this baby's still got a lot to pump out.

Edit again: I still can't find anything on where the mugshots and smoking fit in though. :/

Oh, and I feel like a shepherd trying to wade through an internet full of sheep, just to try and find decent conversation that doesn't consist of "OMG, he looks like an emo fag. OMG, he looks like Tameem."

Jees, cut that crap out.

Edit for the final time: I love Dante's new look, he reminds me of Johnny Rotten of the Sex Pistols. He's a punk, hes not trying to be cool. Thats why he looks beat up and his clothes look a mess, those are his markings to show that he is alienated from society.

I am a huge Devil May Cry fan as most of you here are but we all have to admit Dante from the original series was the most shallow character ever. He was the type of guy who didn't care about anything, he was to cool to care about anything. DMC 3 and 4 had the most story in them and in both they made Dante look like an generic Japanese hero. Nothing phases him, he's never worried, in fact if it wasn't for the fact that he says "Devils never cry" you wouldn't even be sure if this man noticed anything going on around him. His character is devoid of emotions.

These 2 pictures of the new Dante say more about him than 4 full games said about old Dante. This new Dante is a loner. Whether or not he knows he's part demon or not is unknown but he hates everyone. The mugshot lets us know that he's in trouble with the law and the bruise could easily come from fight people on the streets (which was what happened to Johnny Rotten) or from fighting demons. Since he's a teenager he's probably angsty and confused about whats going on, blaming other people for his problems.

And as for smoking, most of the world do in fact thing smoking is cool but people who smoke also do it to relieve stress which this new Dante probably feels alot. The bare bones of it all is that this new Dante is 1000x more human than the old one.

II ARROWS

11-02-11, 08:06

As for concerns over NT development skills please don't worry. Capcom are heavily involved in the development of all it's IP being worked upon by outside parties.I don't care about marketing, but now I know that I'll lose the respect for Capcom if you let destroy your game.
I know who is the responsible.

onlyonet

11-02-11, 10:54

I don't care about marketing, but now I know that I'll lose the respect for Capcom if you let destroy your game.
I know who is the responsible.

Maybe you can stop worrying also?!

We know what we're doing just as we did when we created Dante.

Carbonox_Ratchet

11-02-11, 10:56

I fail to see any indication whatsoever that this dudebro is not Dante. He is Dante, that much is clear.

onlyonet

11-02-11, 11:16

Are you allowed to post a link up so I can have a look at the discussion? If you are, please can you, as the only DMC page I can find is a fan made one.

Thanks Stu. :)

Capcom page>wall>others

CaptainCortez

11-02-11, 11:45

I fail to see any indication whatsoever that this dudebro is not Dante. He is Dante, that much is clear.

Wel, whatever then. I'll try to work stuff out when more info explodes in my face. :p

Capcom page>wall>others

Ah, I was going through the discussions on the Capcom page yesterday. Now to look through a very long list. :/

It's hard to find anything decent amongst the useless comments of Capcom are going to fail and Capcom should die. Those comments aren't likely to get people anywhere and if anything would just frustrate and upset the staff.

LeonBelmontX

11-02-11, 12:20

I can't see anything huge on the FB page, aside from a couple of comments.

One idea was that new Dante was a young DMC2 Dante (as if he is a seperate character). Hopefully this isn't the case, but I doubt it will be as DMC2 is largely disliked and it would seem pointless to revisit it.

However one (which happened to be liked by CAPCOM) did give me a little bit of interest.

A mass majority of you are idiots. "The new cool Dante" That is Dante, It's an origin story that comes before DMC3. It leads up to what Dante becomes. You haven't played the game yet you're judging it. Ever wonder why Dante says he's too cool to smoke? Or maybe the fact that he makes references to Limbo city in DMC3? S...top raging and wait for the game to come out before you judge it.

Any idea what this person means by Dante referencing Limbo in DMC3?

I like the idea that this Dante could end up becoming the DMC3 Dante we love, and if that's the case, I trust Capcom 100% with the plot, so long as it links on with him really being like DMC3's Dante. If thats the case, I'm a little disappointed Capcom couldn't keep Reuben Langdon as his VA though for continuity (although I understand there could have been various reasons why they couldn't). Having the same voice (albeit a little gruffer) would have helped make it more believable that this is the same Dante, as he currently seems so different.

I really am feeling slowly more postive, although still not convinced. My biggest concern is that I'm really not sure I'll enjoy playing as an angry Dante, even if he does end up being the one I've grown to love. Part of DMC's charm is how fun Dante is to play as - which is a culmination of both his personality and abilities.

CaptainCortez

11-02-11, 12:33

I think I'll have to replay DMC3 to pick up on the limbo city references throughout, as I remember nothing of that, but I'm gonna read the DMC3 mangas too, as Carbonox told me they're canon and well worth reading.

Now to fill my head with more DMC related stuff. I thought it was filled up with enough of that already. ;)

I think I'm pretty warmed to it right now, but I just want to see what the combat's like, as I want it to feel like DMC and not Darksiders (even though I liked that game).

It needs the same speed and grace in movement, and could do with a more informative story, which is where hopefully Ninja Theory will shine.

E3 can't come soon enough.

LeonBelmontX

11-02-11, 13:14

I do have a question for OnlyOneT, if there's any chance you can answer me.

The one thing that's really been confusing me about DmC is whether or not it's canon with the rest of the series. Over the last few months, the terms "reboot", "origin story" among others have been thrown about, and it's left people unsure whether DmC is a totally seperate game in it's own canon (in the way that Batman Begins was a reboot), or whether it the exact same Dante in canon with the timeline with the rest of the series?

I think if this could be cleared up I'd feel a lot happier. I really just want to know if the old timeline is being cast aside, or whether we're still operating in the same canon.

I don't know if this is being kept vague for a reason (such as Capcom pulling a weird alternate-universe thats connected to the original one or something), or whether it's just been explained really unclearly. I understand if you can't say - but if you can, please clear this up for us!

onlyonet

11-02-11, 16:14

Sorry Leon thats exactly the kind of thing I can't talk about yet.

More revealed in due course. Sorry.

Like I say lots of hints in the trailer depends how much you want to study them.

CaptainCortez

11-02-11, 16:42

Leon - Seeing as Capcom aren't allowed to disclose any information regarding that yet, I'll just give my thoughts about this.

I think personally that it is canon, as I don't see why Capcom would want to reboot the series knowing it would upset a lot of people, just to give out false information on Dante's background and the DMC universe.

So for me, having it as official canon seems the most logical thing to do.

Edit: Oh, and suppose the Limbo City Police Department know who Sparda was? Dante keeps having enemies come after him that hated Sparda, so surely that would mean they know Dante is his son, even at a young age? He's the only one to still be alive (to their knowledge), and the reason why Dante has dyed his hair black is because he's on the run from them, in hope that they don't recognise him, while he tries to understand everything going on with his body and everything that's going on around him.

The white patch of hair suggests that his hair is dyed, because the roots are white, but in some parts the white gradients/fades to black.

If I had things trying to kill me at a pretty young age that I thought wasn't even humanly possible, I'd have a lot of issues, so maybe he thinks he's going insane and seeing things? It's plausible. The people giving him the Psycho Evaluation Treatment might think that he has dementia at such a young age......or they could be working in accordance with an evil corporation/the demon world to get answers out of Dante for a much bigger scheme.

I don't know where I'm heading with this, but all of the above seems pretty plausible to me, and fits well in the DMC universe.

Demons have always been plotting things against the kid (and Sparda bloodline), and if Limbo City is over-run by demons, I'd say the police could be corrupt and working for a demon warlord/boss of some sort.

Makes sense?

LeonBelmontX

11-02-11, 17:13

Sorry Leon thats exactly the kind of thing I can't talk about yet.

More revealed in due course. Sorry.

Like I say lots of hints in the trailer depends how much you want to study them.

That's cool, it's nice to just have a clear "we can't say", which although doesn't tell me anything specific, tells me that Capcom are deliberately keeping this secret rather than just being unclear due to bad explanations. Amongst the confusion its sometimes hard to tell what's been officially stated or not at times. :rolleyes:

I'll reply to your thoughts in a little while Cortez, interested what you have to say but unfortunately I've got a meal to attend :P

CaptainCortez

11-02-11, 17:25

Well, that's just not allowed. Your eyes aren't supposed to leave the monitor screen. :p

LeonBelmontX

12-02-11, 10:31

Well, it was my girlfriend's birthday so I had to make an exception :P

I think personally that it is canon, as I don't see why Capcom would want to reboot the series knowing it would upset a lot of people, just to give out false information on Dante's background and the DMC universe.

So for me, having it as official canon seems the most logical thing to do.

It would make sense to be canon - especially being a prequel so there would be no prior knowledge required for new players to enjoy the game. But on the flipside, beginning a new timeline would make it so much easier for Capcom to do sequels without worrying about canon. I just hope Capcom will stay true to DMCs oldest fans. Even the new fans DMC4 gained probably don't want to see the timeline scrapped when they've only just learned of the regular one.

Edit: Oh, and suppose the Limbo City Police Department know who Sparda was? Dante keeps having enemies come after him that hated Sparda, so surely that would mean they know Dante is his son, even at a young age? He's the only one to still be alive (to their knowledge), and the reason why Dante has dyed his hair black is because he's on the run from them, in hope that they don't recognise him, while he tries to understand everything going on with his body and everything that's going on around him.

The white patch of hair suggests that his hair is dyed, because the roots are white, but in some parts the white gradients/fades to black.

If I had things trying to kill me at a pretty young age that I thought wasn't even humanly possible, I'd have a lot of issues, so maybe he thinks he's going insane and seeing things? It's plausible. The people giving him the Psycho Evaluation Treatment might think that he has dementia at such a young age......or they could be working in accordance with an evil corporation/the demon world to get answers out of Dante for a much bigger scheme.

I don't know where I'm heading with this, but all of the above seems pretty plausible to me, and fits well in the DMC universe.

Demons have always been plotting things against the kid (and Sparda bloodline), and if Limbo City is over-run by demons, I'd say the police could be corrupt and working for a demon warlord/boss of some sort.

Makes sense?

This sounds like a plausible story, I mean the armies of hell could be out to get Dante and erase him before he learns his destiny. The whole city/warlord setting reminds me of DMC2 which didn't work that well for me, but I guess it could be done well if done right.

My favourite theory has always been that new "Dante" is actually a young Nero. I mean, DMC4 opened a whole host of questions as to who Nero is and where he came from, and left them all unanswered. The fact that it could star Nero would also explain why the game took on the DmC persona, rather than a straightforward DMC5 - a spinoff as such. I've theorised about this character being Nero before, so I'll quote what I've written in the past, written a week after the announcement:

The idea came to me when I saw “New Dante’s” coat – see, I never really thought that it looked like Dante’s coat. It actually looks more like Nero’s. You know – the guy whose past we know absolutely nothing about? Even if he were the son of Vergil, as some flaky rumours suggest, this could still work.

My theory goes like this – young Nero is a bit of a punk nobody with no real place in the world. A talented fighter, due to having a connection with the Sparda bloodline, he is taken in by the Order (from DMC4) – worshippers of Sparda – and trained to focus his abilities on something with a bit more purpose. Trying to re-create their god, or at least a son of Sparda – and knowing Nero shares his bloodline – the Order submit Nero to some kind of ritual. This ritual summons Vergil’s lost soul, and uses Nero as it’s vessel, giving Nero his white hair, and later would awaken the Devil Bringer – the hand that “thirsts for power”, which is uncannily similar to the modus operandi that Vergil himself was known for. Unsure if their ritual had worked, the Order keep Nero restrained (as seen in the trailer), and ask him repeatedly. “What is your name?” Perhaps in order to end their interrogations, Nero submits, admitting himself to be Dante, a son of the god that they wished to recreate.

I doubt I'm anywhere near right. But this game as Nero's origin story would excite me more than anything else. Hell, I could even see DmC working as a young Vergil - angry at the world before he really had any sense of direction, and lying about his name by using the name of his own twin. If anything, Dante looks the least likely of the three to have a history like that. It's been called an Origin story, but I'm hoping it's actually not Dante's origins at all - but someone elses. This is all probably me deluding myself in denial, though...

CaptainCortez

12-02-11, 12:31

Haha, well everything official points to this being based on Dante's past, and so I doubt Nero will even come into the equation to be fair.

Nero was an orphan taken in by the order at a very young age (I thought when he was a baby, but don't quote me on that), so if it was about Nero, we'd be back in Fortuna again.

This however is limbo.

If this is successful they'll probably continue on with Nero's story as a lot about him is unanswered, but this is the story of Dante probably before he was even aware of his powers (unlike DMC3 where although he didn't fully realise his true power until some way in, he still knew of his powers because he just let the demons at the start stab sickles through vital body parts).

LeonBelmontX

12-02-11, 12:51

I agree that it probably is Dante's past, but there's not that much conclusive proof - just the confession of a tortured guy and some tidbits of information :P

If it is Dante though, I really hope we'll be seeing more of Vergil - his omission in DMC4 made sense (either he was dead, or in my belief within/reincarnated in Nero in some way - due to his affiliations with the Yamato, his white hair, arm that lusts for power and his very Vergil-looking DT spirit).

In DMC3, Dante states "It's been nearly a year since we last met", so we've clearly got more history we could cover yet. Dante embraced his human side, while Vergil chose his demonic side - so we could see Dante hiding his hair colour and background, while a younger Vergil could be strutting about with white hair worn proudly.

The brotherhood rivalry has always been my favourite part of DMC.

On a side note, I'm a little worried that we'll be losing the Devil Trigger ability - it's such a core part of the series but Dante doesn't unlock that power till DMC3. I do hope that Dante gets some equivalent "Fury" ability or something, I just hope it will be done as well.

CaptainCortez

12-02-11, 14:13

Well, it was confirmed to be Dante a while back now, so you'll have to get used to it. :p

Also, Nero is apparently Vergil's son according to a book that was released. Supposedly it's canon, but I'm not entirely sure which book it is. I'm guessing it's the DMC3 manga, which I still need to get.

As for the brotherhood rivalry, it's undeniably awesome seeing as at the time of playing DMC1, I didn't realise Nelo Angelo was Vergil until the very last fight where his mask came off. I just thought he was related to Dante in some way from his reaction in the first fight, but then I worked things out and said that Vergil was the name of his brother before DMC3. Nobody believed me and it turned out to be the case....how did I know? Dante's Amulet that says Dante and Vergil.

I'm glad that it's an ongoing thing and do expect to see Vergil in this game. I'm pretty sure he'll be the one misleading Dante throughout the game, initiating much hatred between the two.

Also, would it not be cool to have the Devil Arms back again, but this time, as presumably Dante is unaware of "bosses" trying to kill him, it might be the turn of his personality when he realises for the first time that a demon he killed turned into an awesome weapon. It might start to bring the fun back into his life.

I mean if I had things with insane powers trying to kill me and I ended up in a fight with one, only to defeat them and watch as they turn into a weapon, for a start I'd have a little trouble getting over the fact I just killed something, and then I'd feel awesome knowing what I just destroyed turned into a weapon. It would seem like a game to me (pun wasn't intended). :p

LeonBelmontX

12-02-11, 14:30

Yeah, that does sound cool. I loved the way bosses became Devil Arms in DMC3 (and in 4 for the few stages Dante had). I hope this gets continued in DmC. One of my biggest complaints with DMC4 was the lack of weaponry, seeing as Nero only had one sword/gun combo through the whole game. The Red Queen was an awesome sword, but couldn't stand up to the selection of weapons in DMC1 and 3 in my opinion.

Although I must admit I didn't like the look of the weapon in the trailer. With its extendable length, and pulling up cars and stuff, it seemed like a very all-purpose weapon. DMC3 and 4 managed to make each weapon feel quite unique but almost always allowed for precision timing - rather than the crowd-clearing style weapons of God of War or Heavenly Sword.

But *hopefully* we'll be seeing Rebellion again seeing as he starts with it in DMC3 - and it's become his signature weapon since DMC2. I don't mind the new weapon being one of many weapons in the game, I just hope we don't have another DMC where the main protagonist is given only one Devil Arm for the whole game. There's nothing more exciting to me than getting a new weapon with a whole new playstyle attached.

CaptainCortez

12-02-11, 14:43

Yea, I wasn't particularly keen on using the whip/sword thing either. Devil May Cry has always been about using weapons that need precise timing, rather than room clearing weapons such as Kratos' Blades of Chaos.

If this explains most of Dante's childhood, I'd say that we probably will end up seeing the Rebellion return.

It won't feel like Devil May Cry to me if you can get a weapon that kills an entire room in seconds. That would become what is typically known as a button mashing game. Not good, though I reckon Capcom know what works in the series, so I don't think they'll change the gameplay too much.

LeonBelmontX

12-02-11, 15:12

I really hope the game ends up linking onto DMC3 at the end. If it does, I'm kind of excited now (albeit still filled with doubt).

Just wish they'd release some more info now!

CaptainCortez

12-02-11, 15:24

Haha, yea June's a way off yet. :(

It would make sense to lead it straight into DMC3 or set it up so it leads straight onto another game that'll lead into DMC3 when he's a bit older than the Dante in DmC but a little younger than DMC3's Dante.

I dunno. We'll see I guess.

LeonBelmontX

12-02-11, 15:46

I don't suppose you know which DMC books have been released so far?

I thought I had all of them, but it sounds like there have been others since.

I've got Devil May Cry 3: Code 1 & Code 2 graphical novels, plus Devil May Cry and Devil May Cry 2 novels. I haven't read any with reference to Nero yet.

Edit: looking into it, it seems there's a two part DMC4 novel, but it's only been released in Japanese. Damn, I wish they'd translate it... (I own all DMC books, Anime, games, etc)

CaptainCortez

12-02-11, 16:28

I'm not too sure. I think the one/s with Nero in is/are just story books with no pictures at all.

As for DMC3 Code 1 and 2 graphic novels, is that not the manga? The manga is a story out of speech bubbles and uncoloured line art/pictures for before DMC3 and there are 2 volumes of it, so I'm guessing that's what you mean.

I'll have to ask my friend about the Nero reference more, but I think Carbonox on here may know a little about that too. I think he was the one who told me originally that it's widely believed Nero is Vergil's son.

LeonBelmontX

13-02-11, 00:34

Yeah thats just my bad use of terms, I thought "graphical novel" meant manga - i.e. story made of graphics.

Looking around, it seems that a 2-part story called DMC4: Deadly Fortune has been released in Japan for a fair amount of time but has still yet to have an english version. There are general translations and info on the content around online, but I'd rather have my own copy to read. Seems that Nero is said to be a "son of Vergil", but I'm not 100% that they mean literally, or metaphorically (i.e. heir to his power in some way)

CaptainCortez

13-02-11, 09:49

Well, we'll find out at some point I'm sure. :p

As for Vergil being in DmC, I reckon he will be, but we won't know until a year or two.

leo3pros

16-02-11, 08:57

why did they even reboot it I though the series was good and worth playing and dmc4 wasn't as good I admit but silent hill 4 wasn't good if ur an old style fan of resident evil and still are then you will notice resident evil 4 wasn't as good as the original so the chances are any game which has 4 in it is doomed so its no suprise they really are not giving the games chance to grow that how they become great games plus I like the characters as they are and dante with black hair :mad: I think capcom or is it ninja theory or something been watching the twighlight to much :chin:plus I want another series of the manga show it so good :D:p:o:cool::) and also does anyone else think the person making is a ego tistic so and so because it like he has modeled dante after himself

Carbonox_Ratchet

16-02-11, 13:13

LeonBelmontX

16-02-11, 13:22

I dunno it just seems so unlike Vergil. I could imagine him not caring about sex or children purely because it does nothing to make him more powerful. I cant even imagine him trying to talk to a woman :P

But then, boys will be boys :P

CaptainCortez

16-02-11, 15:15

Haha, I actually find that easy to believe.

I mean he could feel like he's powerful by being the dominant one in the bedroom, and being half demon, he probably has some kind of auto protection against std's and things, so probably wouldn't care who he gets with as long as she looks hot, and he can cast her aside when he pleases.

That is Vergil. :p

JackPOT21

19-02-11, 21:51

CaptainCortez if im not wrong, was TOny REdgrave the nickname of dante at the beginning of DMC u know that if u read the comics and look the anime

about the new game ich really REALLY hoped a sequel something that proceed the story
i was hoping and stil im of a story like " dantes vs the DEVIL itself in something like that u know what i mean dante vs. the god of evel itself or maybe a journey in heave where he would meet the soul of his father " something like that but about the new game i dont really like any games of NT they arent bad but not really something i like but as a fan i hope they wont f**** up the story about his looks ...yes he look like Shi* and his hair is a lil black but maybe its only black because they gave him some drugs or he colored himself because he hates to 4 half a damon who knows im kind cool about that because if NT Fu*** Up the game like the other did with DMC2 ( i like that part 2) they will come back too the roots after a few more years ^^

CaptainCortez

20-02-11, 00:25

I have no idea. All I know is that Tony Redgrave was engraved on one of his guns (the silver one I think....Ivory?), and I haven't got the manga, nor have I seen the animé for quite a while.

My memory would need refreshing, but as far as I remember, the animé really didn't go into Dante's backstory.

It wasn't that great, and although it was kinda cool and stylish to watch, not much went on in it, other than the fact Dante had a thing for Strawberry Sundae's. Didn't make sense, but I loved those as a kid, haha!

LeonBelmontX

21-02-11, 21:45

I enjoyed the anime, although I found the biggest problem was that it didn't capture Dante's crazy fighting skills in the same way a game does - often it was just shooting and maybe one big slice that would kill the big baddie in one go - it didn't really translate enemy juggling and stuff in the same way the DMC cutscenes do (such as the intro to DMC3).

I think it's mainly due to the fact that the more action there is, the more complex the animation is. The last 2 or 3 episodes were by far the best, though.

Btw, pizza is much more manly than strawberry sundaes.

CaptainCortez

21-02-11, 22:01

I liked the demon motorbike episode....from little I can remember of it. Lady blew it up with Kalina Ann I think. :p

Pizza and Strawberry Sundae's are both good. ;)

LeonBelmontX

22-02-11, 12:26

DMC3's intro wouldn't have rocked so hard with sundaes. Just sayin' :P

CaptainCortez

22-02-11, 19:25

I dunno, it might have been funny.

He'd take one spoonful of ice cream and spit it back out again, once he realised that it was demon blood and not strawberry sauce inside it!

Oh and just cos I checked it out, whether it will ever have relevance or not, have a look at the DMC1 cover art. Tony Redgrave is 100% on the side of his gun. It's just hard to see as it's at such an angle.

ThomasakaDes

04-03-11, 20:15

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/1985/hha.jpg

I won`t even think about buying the new DMC if Dante looks like the fail one.
Don`t even dare release a game where "Dante" looks anything other then the one we all love.
Like WTF goes on in your mind if you actually want us to accept thats Dante!? :P

Hope that img becomes as small as I made it in here.
Nope, became big :P
Edit: Made it small.

CaptainCortez

07-03-11, 10:31

Watch this guys:

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/266732/news/dmc-developers-justify-dante/

Tameem actually says "I played DMC1. Cool. It was the fact that it brought together erm. It wasn't just the fact that it was an amazing gameplay experience. It was more than that. It was like the way it brought in music and err style, and cinema. Yes it was, it was cultural condensed. Cool culture, condensed into a videogame."

He also firmly believes Capcom and NT won't be able to win the most hardcore fans over until they have something in their hands.

I agree with this, and am more impressed that he mentioned DMC1 over 3 because that is my favourite of the series. The original was spot on with everything for me.

This has given me something to look forward to even more now, and hopefully Dante's hair will change, but if not, I'm just looking forward to seeing more information!

I'm hoping this will instill a little faith amongst you guys and girls, too. ;)

ThomasakaDes

19-03-11, 23:40

Sorry for ranting so hard on this one :P
I watched the trailer on the game on YT and read a comment where the person said the game is about Dante in his youth before he became the devil hunter.
So I`ll be buying the game, but I hope Capcom will continue making DMCs with the Dante the devil hunter.
And that they`ll add trophies to it, unlike what they did in DMC4 :P (The reason why I installed it again :P).

Ryu Kazama

08-06-11, 07:37

Here you go! (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2011-devil-may/715167)

New E3 combat video. Still doesn't say DMC to me, or perhaps it says "Look at me, I'm trying to be DMC but I'm not". I thought the music was ok despite many gripes from others.

Combat wise it just seems a little strange. I don't know what exactly but everything just screams DMC2 and that is quite a bad, bad vibe to give.

Still too little to truly form a great opinion but I'm lowering my expectations a notch more.

Oh, DmC (not DMC old) movie in the works, too... someone at Capcom is definitely smoking something.

Megaman

08-06-11, 18:15

well dudes, I have until the impossible detail watched the trailer from e3.... .

I can say to you (I have seen psychology) that this is THE DANTE we all know and love but......

okay he is younger
okay he hasnt white hair
maybe he is unsure or unaware of the "world" around him

AND (this is the importest for DMC fans that)

He has the stylish action gameplay from earlier DMC games
and he has ebony and evory (okay maybe with a cooldown but the guns are there in "devil may cry style")
he is wearing his "devil may cry jacket" okay not totally the "stylish red jacket from earlier DMC games", but like I said he has his jacket.
the normal "marionettes" are typicel DMC style.
the boss at the end of the trailer is awesome just like the demon bosses from the earlier games.
the benches in the church are falling synchronised just like any other DMC stylish previous games.
Okay he has a morfing weapon but this is gameplay improvement from the earlier Gunslinger, Trickster, Royal guard and Swordmaster (maybe also Dark slayer) style. but this is definitly "Devil May Cry style"

if I have still someting to let you know about I will edit my post.

Edit1: Like I said (I am not a programmer of games but) I can really "see" where Ninja Theory and Capcom is trying to go and what the game will be in the "final" version. and like ALEX JONES said "it is totally different but at the same time still the same".

Capcom and Ninja theory are doing there job as they are supposed to be. Release date buy for me.

Carbonox_Ratchet

08-06-11, 18:38

1. It's "stylish" combat we see and I do see some similar things from previous games (Trickster air dash, etc.).
2. They are not Ebony & Ivory. They are dual pistols but different in design. Check out the announcement trailer for more up close shots of the guns. The cooldown would suggest Dante hasn't got round to creating Ebony & Ivory yet where he can channel demonic power for infinite ammunition.
3. He's wearing a completely different and new jacket. More rough and grungy. Nothing about it is similar to the previous games. Just one part of Dante's new look.

The rest of your points make zero sense. How can enemies and bosses be of the "Devil May Cry" style. An invalid comment as there is no such thing as a "Devil May Cry" style where enemies are concerned. The bench comment is just the icing of the cake.

That said, the enemies don't look awful. I also love how they fall apart when you finish them off.

Please elaborate on your comment that a morphing weapon is an improvement. It's not. Besides, there will be a variety of weapons in this game. Morphing weapons are NOT - I repeat NOT - a Devil May Cry thing. Why? Because they were never part of the franchise.

You don't quite understand what the staples of the franchise are. I do like your optimism though as I share that very same sentiment. Watching the trailer again and again has resulted in me looking forward to the game more than I was initially.

CaptainCortez

08-06-11, 20:13

Same as me mate. I love the trailer and like the look of the game the more I rewatch it, so maybe DmC will make a comeback.

Gameplay seems pretty solid and I'm really hoping it'll still have the previous difficulty levels. Wouldn't mind seeing some statues of time either. :p

Music's pretty cool (far better than that of the TGS reveal), and the only thing that still bothers me is his hair length/style.

If you keep the same weapon throughout the game, maybe you just gain devil upgrades to allow your weapon to act differently instead of gaining Devil Arms.

Looks good though and I'll be typing up my first impressions later this week. :)

LeonBelmontX

10-06-11, 00:28

Hey guys! I've been gone a while, just sitting and waiting for some news on this...

So, here's my 2 cents:

First off, yes - this trailer is much better than the last one. Actual DMC-esque gameplay and no moping.

I love the stuff about illusions, as if the world he sees isn't real. Perhaps this world is a mirage - even including Dante's look to an extent. When he DT's and his hair goes white - perhaps this is him snapping closer into reality?

I can't decide how I feel about the gameplay. Weapons, check. Stylish moves, check. That's good. However, I'm still concerned about the flow of the combat - I'm really worried it'll feel too automated - but this really wont be easy to tell until we have something playable. I don't dislike the look of the weapons themselves, I just hope there are a decent amount of gameplay styles and strategies with different weapons.

As Cortez said, it would be excellent if you could simply unlock new weapon forms instead of individual DA's - so long as each form is as individual in it's gameplay as DA's from DMC1/3. Don't like the way his gunshots look - like needles rather than bullets. The sword looks very much like Rebellion, I wonder if it's a transformation or an individual weapon.

Graphically, I have mixed feelings. I still hate Dante's character model, and the game has a very unclean feel to it, especially compared to DMC4 - which looked amazing. The regions look somewhat generic, giving me a bit of a DMC2 vibe, but things look better when we see the more colourful "reality". I want to see more of this. I like the traditional gothic church look - yet it still doesn't show anything that's even on par with DMC1's areas so far. Just a bland, repetitive corridor with no real flair. Remember when you first entered the castle in DMC1? That grand entranceway looked awesome.

I like the fact that he gains the white hair in DT, but he still looks a little unfinished compared to Dante models in other games. Reminds me more of an Onimusha "Oni form" than anything else.

Can't decide about the enemies. They look creepy, but in a sort of DMC2 way... all very grey and nothing particularly stood out to me. The boss looked like a Resident Evil boss (in a good way), but I'm not sure about it in a DMC game... I can't really see much good dialogue going on with it, thats for sure.

My main view is this - there's hope for DMC. I'm still not sold, but the trailer hasn't shown me any major flaws just yet (aside from Dante's character model). I really hope we'll be seeing a bit more colour and interesting enemies - but of course, more gameplay. The way trailers slo-mo and freeze frame really makes it hard to judge the flow of things.

OH, I almost forgot. One thing I really dislike is the frequent use of Devil Bringer style "pulling" attacks I saw in there. While I could just about deal with Nero doing it (as he was a different character), I don't like the idea of Dante employing this tactic. Just seems too easy to abuse and takes some of the skill out of the game.

I just pray that Capcom do this well. I'm not convinced one way or the other yet, I just know I want it to be good. And there's still time for Capcom to change that godawful hairstyle yet...

CaptainCortez

10-06-11, 02:36

Well, I don't want the Devil Arms removed, but IF they are being removed, it'd be interesting to see if you get upgrades from bosses every time you beat them, to make your weapon transform into another form.

Still, killing a boss and watching them turn into a weapon for you to use was incredibly original at the time. I'd just love to see it kept in the game. :(

As for Dante, he feels a fair bit like Dante to me now, but the hair is the thing stopping me from embracing his new character design. I mean if he has black hair that turns white when he goes into Devil Adrenaline Mode (just made that name up as technically it's not Devil Trigger he's entering), that's fine, but as it stands I really still hate his haircut. He looks more like a thug than anything, and I'd just really love it if we got the option of starting out with longer black hair so that when he goes into DAM, he would look like the Dante we know and love.

I know OnlyOneT said the hair will be explained, but I just really want the option to start out with longer hair, or at least a cheat to make it longer and actually allow you to play through it from start to finish, rather than making you finish the game once before you get that option.

A lot of the game does pretty much feel like DMC now, but the hair just isn't right for Dante. It's annoying because it feels like Dante to a degree, just rougher around the edges and more angsty and peed off, but even still, the hair just doesn't fit into his style. I mean I can even accept the Peter Pan boots (just), but not the hair, so I'd just like the original fans to have options on how Dante looks slightly when starting out.

Though, I'm pretty sure his look will no longer change.

LeonBelmontX

10-06-11, 09:12

I love the way that bosses became weapons as well, but if his new DA were to absorb their souls or something, I'm sure there could be similarly cool scenes. I mean, if the weapon could transform into other DAs it could be pretty much the same system as DMC3 for weapons - only an explanation as to how he'd be holding so many weapons at once.

Totally with you on the hair - couldn't care less about the colour really (as we know there's a reason that it's not white yet, whatever that may be), but the style just seems so un-Dante. Even picturing a rougher, more angry Dante wouldn't have conjured anything like that in my mind.

Carbonox_Ratchet

10-06-11, 15:50

My theory about the Dante Trigger and what could be a valid story point is that because Dante is going around with the Tony Redgrave moniker and completely changing his look, he's trying to not only get away from the demons undoubtedly searching for him, but he's also maybe trying to escape his fate and legacy. He doesn't want anything to do with it.

The Dante Trigger is something that reverts him back to his true self, showcasing his true power. He is Dante. He is a son of Sparda. He is going to kill you.

My opinion of the game is that it's about his search for completion. His search for being. Over the course of the game I believe he will start to feel comfortable in his own skin and being Sparda's son. By the end I fully expect him to take up the mantle and fulfill his destiny. He will become the Dante demons came to fear. He will become Earth's saviour.

For now though? He's completely misguided, confused and unsure of himself, hence the appearance.

If this explanation isn't close to the truth then I will eat my face.

LeonBelmontX

10-06-11, 16:26

Has it been announced that he will be going under the alias Tony Redgrave somewhere?

I mean, I know all about the name, but I keep hearing people talking about it since the E3 footage, as if they had actually said something of the sort. Or is it all just speculation?

Edit: I like your take on it, Ratchet. Just why, why that hairstyle? I would have rather seen a longer haired Dante or something :/

CaptainCortez

10-06-11, 16:31

Well, he's probably peed because his mum was killed, his dad is nowhere to be seen (in the demon world to us) and Vergil will probably turn up and betray him, making him the good Dante we know and love.

I mean everything points to Dante and Vergil getting on well together as children, playing together etc, yet DMC3 started with Dante and Vergil not getting on and disliking each other, and by the end of it Dante tried to save Vergil so he doesn't hate him completely.

It's just making me think that this game will show what Vergil did to Dante to make both characters go down the path they're going to go through.

I reckon Vergil might meet up with Dante in the game somewhere, offering to help him out (possibly might even take on the alias of Gilver, but dunno), but then betrays him, showing Dante that he actually has bad intentions and begins turning evil to follow his demonic bloodline. Dante decides to rebel against his own brother and starts to see the good in the world, and goes out of his way to protect everyone from his brother and any demonic threats he comes across/hears about.

Something should make him the way he is at the start of DMC3 at least, and Hideki Kamiya actually portrayed Dante as being British, so if he does still have the Union Jack on his sleeve, it's perfectly acceptable to me.

Carb - What makes you think he's running around under the name of Tony Redgrave? I haven't seen the manga or read much on the alias, so don't know what he's meant to look like under this name. I'm not denying the fact he could be, but just wanted a little insight into what gives you this impression.

Cheers bud.

Oh and I agree with you where the story's concerned. A lot of what you've said is what both you and I theorised before the new trailer was even shown, so we should be on the right tracks but now we just need to wait for the next bit of information to release. :D

Leon - If you've seen films like The Bourne Identity etc, people often cut their own hair short to go unrecognised, instead of getting it cut or styled in a hardressers, because the whole point is they're trying to avoid the public and avoid being seen. So yea, he probably cut his own hair however he could to be less recognisable, not caring what he looked like as he'd be trying to distance himself from everything he knows and holds dear, until I guess he can get a grip and accept who he really is, and the responsibilities he will have to take control of.

LeonBelmontX

10-06-11, 16:42

I really hope that they do end the game with Dante more like his DMC3 self and tieing it in to DMC3. And I would also love to see Vergil - as long as they don't mess with his looks too much as well (we really don't need a Vino to add to things).

They never were clear on whether DMC will be canon. I hope it is... if it turns out decent, of course.

Regarding the hair thing again, I do understand how it can work from a story point of view. It's just, I can't see an "ugly" Dante being quite so fun to play as.

CaptainCortez

10-06-11, 16:46

If Vergil does come in with the intention of betraying Dante in hope to gain power for himself, there would be no need to make Vergil have black hair. He wouldn't be rebelling under these circumstances, so should turn up with white hair, looking pretty similar to his DMC3 counterpart (just younger).

Carbonox_Ratchet

10-06-11, 16:47

On Capcom-Unity, their DmC trailer blog post originally said Tony Redgrave before it was quickly removed and changed to Dante. Looks like they're going with Dante's alias but Unity didn't realise that news is supposed to be kept shtum.

Just makes the complete change in appearance all the more relevant.

As for Vergil, I expect a more familiar Vergil. While he has every right to change his appearance to escape demons, he was thought dead and is also quite proud of being a Sparda son.

There will be returning characters so it will be exciting to see who and what has been changed about them.

As for whether or not the game is canon, it's a reboot so it will most likely establish its own canon. Capcom did say they're NOT giving up 100% on the previous canon, so it looks like they might go the Fox route of having two universes. For those of you wondering, Fox want to do X-Men 4 and beyond, whilst still retaining the First Class mythos.

CaptainCortez

10-06-11, 17:00

Leon - Neither do I, but if you were on the run and needing a completely different change in look if it meant surviving, would you care what you looked like?

I know for a start, if I were to change my look and become unrecognisable, I'd need to get rid of my trademark (spiked animé kinda hair) and go completely bald. I'd look as ugly as anything, but it would do its purpose, making it possible for me to go unnoticed.

Carb - Ah right, oops for them, good news for us. :p

I do love it in the trailer where he grinds his sword along the ground, but yea it's too thin to be the Rebellion for anyone wondering. He'll probably get that later on (hopefully). :)

I'm seeing Vergil as maybe starting out in game with a bit of an ego, knowing he can kill most things at such a young age. He might even push Dante around, bullying him a little. He always did mock Dante for not wanting to go down the route of being evil, taking advantage of his bloodline.

The only returning characters I see turning up are Dante, Vergil, Eva and Sparda himself. Sparda and Eva for story purposes, offering no interaction, but Vergil in my mind will be playing a huge part in the game.

As for it being a reboot, I don't entirely think it'll open up a new alternate universe for the series. I just think that what we learned about Dante over the previous games was told through narration, telling stories that were passed down over time. With this game we should be experiencing first hand "What really happened".

Capcom said they were changing some things but not deviating too far from the path that's already there. In other words, it doesn't seem as though they plan to change much of what we already know about Dante and his world.

LeonBelmontX

10-06-11, 17:28

I like the sound of Tony Redgrave finally being acknowledged more. I'm looking forward (and nervous) to see what they could do with Vergil.

Leon - Neither do I, but if you were on the run and needing a completely different change in look if it meant surviving, would you care what you looked like?

I know for a start, if I were to change my look and become unrecognisable, I'd need to get rid of my trademark (spiked animé kinda hair) and go completely bald. I'd look as ugly as anything, but it would do its purpose, making it possible for me to go unnoticed.

I know, but there's a fine line between sensible reasoning and bad design choices. I'm sure they could have gone for something a little better while making him look different. It might sound like I'm being fussy, but it's probably a good sign that this is one of the biggest issues I'm worrying about at the moment.

I'm not sure if I'd like to see Sparda - I kind of think he's better always shrouded in the legend. Could be interesting to see a bit more of his family though, perhaps some involvement from Eva.

CaptainCortez

10-06-11, 17:35

Maybe, but I think the only things we'll see from her are 1. Her good natured parenting towards Dante and Vergil, and 2. Her death.

I don't ever want Sparda to be playable or have a story of his own because he is a legend. I don't think anything Capcom could do would do him justice, so yea it's best he's shrouded in mystery, although I wouldn't mind seeing a cool animation of him protecting the world and his family by sealing himself inside the demon world, battling everyone who comes at him.

You know like he could be standing on the edge of a cliff, or at the top of some strange altar, staring down at thousands, if not millions of creatures with a look of certain death in his face, but no fear. Like he would embrace his destiny. Dante needs to do the same in this game, just without the death aspect lol. :)

Also, I'd love this song in the game:

Nero - Guilt (http://youtu.be/K_2Z32qCYBg)

Would make for an awesome moment of realisation in an angry scene. Realisation that he's been betrayed. :p

Also, looky what I found:

http://fast1.onesite.com/capcom-unity.com/user/snow_infernus/dmc/large/821a00bf5e03afb4eaf8c47a256d805e.jpg?v=213000

It's Dante's drive move from DMC3. ;)

Carbonox_Ratchet

10-06-11, 18:40

That screenshot is actually quite beautiful. I bloody hope the visuals will be that clean and clear in the final version. I seriously do.

CaptainCortez

10-06-11, 18:51

Haha, so do I. Here are the rest of the screenshots:

http://fast1.onesite.com/capcom-unity.com/user/snow_infernus/dmc/large/601cb897f058798cdf094e43d4fa8f79.jpg?v=213000

http://fast1.onesite.com/capcom-unity.com/user/snow_infernus/dmc/large/19d3d4cab0e7c9c3560a7f7f568ebed9.jpg?v=213000

http://fast1.onesite.com/capcom-unity.com/user/snow_infernus/dmc/large/a463ec2c9ff78e76ab26ccdf6afe1a2c.jpg?v=213000

http://fast1.onesite.com/capcom-unity.com/user/snow_infernus/dmc/large/9f1b6670f8546e9f18c7349832c1d896.jpg?v=213600

The poses and style definitely shout Dante, and even his face has changed now. It looks very much like DMC3 Dante's face, just obviously without the white hair.

Looking forward to the Christmas party! :D

Oh and the weapons/forms we've seen so far are:

Sword - Has a trigger. ;)
Axe (Red, fiery coloured weapon)
Scythe (blue icy coloured weapon)

Carbonox_Ratchet

10-06-11, 23:37

I don't see a trigger on the sword.

Anyway, I like that we're seeing marionette enemies. Pretty cool. I just hope they showcase the same type of vicious AI that the ones in the first game possessed. They weren't merely punchbags like the common enemies in the other games were. They actually posed a threat.

LeonBelmontX

10-06-11, 23:52

I'd also like to know what you mean about the trigger, Cortez.

If you're right, then I'm going to be a bit weirded out - alongside the long distance grab attacks that sounds like a very Nero-esque moveset.

And considering my first theory on DmC was that it was actually Nero's backstory... well, this would make that concept seem even more possible.

I mean, aside from all the sources that have stated this is Dante. I don't honestly believe that this is going to be Nero in some huge twist, but the similarities would be startling if he has a sword with a trigger.

CaptainCortez

10-06-11, 23:53

It's in the trailer, just as he pulls it out from his back, but you need to pause it at the right moment. It looks kind of like the trigger of a gun, just without the circular bit that surrounds it on the gun. So, unlike Nero's trigger that looked like a bike brake, this is more like a silver gun trigger, just in such an awkward place I doubt you could use it, so maybe it's just for show.

As for the marionette's, I really do want them to be as badass as they were in DMC1.

I mean if you weren't on the ball at all times when they were near you, they would throw sickles at you, blast you with shotguns, grab you, pin you up on string and go to town on you. You would die very very fast if you weren't paying close attention to what you were doing.

Also, I'd really love for there to be a fixed camera like in the original game. DMC4 didn't feel quite right with a free controlling camera. DMC3 was fine though because the camera pointed to whatever you aimed at, so it worked well.

I've been reading the posts on the Ninja Theory forums and there's still a lot of hate. I mean some of them even hate the music and say that it's now going Electro House, but hello? Devil May Cry has always had electro music. It's been a mix of Orchestral Electro(Nelo Angelo), Gothic Rock Electro and just flat out Electro (Nevan) over the years. Electro is Devil May Cry. ¬_¬

Anyway, I really really want the music to be as awesome and catchy as it was in DMC1.

As for the game, I think it's heading in the right direction, and it is possible to get the gameplay running fine on the Unreal Engine, as Batman uses the same system and runs almost perfectly where combat's concerned.

I also quite like the artistic design, and Dante dare I say actually feels like Dante, just with a different coloured hairstyle. His moves and actions judging from the screenshots and trailer footage are fairly close to that of DMC3, and I think if the gameplay speeds up just a slight bit, it'll be nearly there in terms of performance.

I just hope the story stands out, allowing the game to turn into something special as it definitely has potential.

Leon - It is Dante. I just think the trigger is either meant for decoration, or could serve the purpose of changing weapon forms. Like if you press it once, you change to the next available form. If you press it three times, you can go to a fourth form etc. Would mean you'd only need to press one button to change weapon forms at any time.

Still, it might not be a trigger at all, and instead just look like one, but it definitely made me think it was one. :)

LeonBelmontX

11-06-11, 00:15

As I said, I'm sure you're right - it's been stated enough times that this is Dante and I don't really doubt it. I've just always liked the idea of a Nero backstory, and even think DmC's style would suit it well.

After watching the trailer a few times, coupled with the period of time since DmC was announced, I'm mostly accepting it. I wouldn't go as far as saying I'm excited, or that I couldn't picture a better new title for the series, but I'll admit that I'm leaning more toward being interested than I was before.

My main concern now is the combat. The setting, enemies and general design will have to do, but if the combat doesn't *feel* right then it will suck - even if it did have the classic-looking Dante.

I really hope we get some more gameplay videos soon, all in real-time with no editing.

CaptainCortez

11-06-11, 00:29

I'm just a little excited for it as it's starting to feel like Devil May Cry properly, regardless of how much I hate the lawnmower hair. I'm actually okay with him wearing skinny jeans and Peter Pan boots as it seems to fit the style of the game well.

His jacket is similar to Nero's and so is his dress sense, but I'm pretty sure he is Dante. It's just a new take on it, but I've changed an incredible amount since I was 16, so I don't see why Dante couldn't have looked a lot different when he was younger to how he does now.

Also, I too want to know more about Nero, but I just don't know if we'll ever find out. Still, I don't see a point in introducing a character shrouded in mystery, as the only person that seems to work for is Sparda.

I also don't like the look of the boss at the end of the trailer. It looks pretty poor in design and more cheesily comical than daunting.

As a kid, when I first played DMC1 it genuinely scared me. It was so dark and gothic I didn't know what to expect around every corner, and there were times when the puppets came alive that I would actually turn around and run away, standing and waiting in the spiral staircase where they couldn't get me, but then I faced my fears and tore them a new one (or several). :p

I really miss that, and I miss how epic it felt when you entered a new area, just survived a really hard fight against REGULAR enemies, and then had Griffon (http://youtu.be/Jm0CTMNJIP8) drop down to try and kill you. I guess the Resident Evil element really did make the game for me. The horror suited the game well.

Every boss in DMC1 chased you down and felt incredibly intimidating. That is something I want to return. I want it to feel like you're actually playing against something that doesn't feel as though it's AI controlled, but is in fact actually as capable at fighting (if not more) as you, the player. Nelo Angelo did that. He was one badass enemy, and on hard mode, he was actually almost as good as me. It was the closest fight I've ever had in a game.

We got to a point where it was one hit and I die, one hit and he dies (this was after dying about 26 times) and I finally got him.....then a supposed friend wiped my memory card. ¬_¬

Carbonox_Ratchet

11-06-11, 00:38

Can't use Batman as an example for a hack-n-slash running on Unreal. The two are incomparable. Batman is nowhere near as fast, frame-dependent or as deep as a game like Devil May Cry.

This game could be made to run well but it will have to sacrifice so much that the previous (60fps) games offered, in order to run well on a mere 30fps and on this particular engine. The cancelling and frame-based attacks worked only because you had top frame rate, in which you had enough room and time to perfect such intricate techniques.

Kinda makes me want to return to Devil May Cry 3 and Devil May Cry 4.

LeonBelmontX

11-06-11, 00:42

Yeah, the boss did look pretty crappy. Devil May Cry bosses all seem to show a lot of personality and flair in their design - the blob thing didn't really do anything for me.

I really hope there's a good humanoid boss or two. Nelo Angelo, Vergil and Credo are easily amongst my favourite bosses.

In terms of larger bosses, I've always thought DMC1 did them best, Phantom and Griffon were amazing. I loved Berial in DMC4, too.

Edit: Agreed with Ratchet on the Unreal Engine though. Batman was amazing, but I've never seen UE deal with a game of DMC's speed and precision.

CaptainCortez

11-06-11, 00:45

I dunno really, because Batman's combat is very fluid, even if the system isn't as deep as DMC's. Time will tell I guess.

If you and I are both fairly happy right now, and we're both incredibly passionate about the series, I think Capcom and Ninja Theory are doing something right.

I really do think it has potential. I just wish they put the Resi elements back in, which I doubt will actually happen. Still, he feels like Dante the more I look at the pictures, so that's a bit more faith to go on!

I wonder if we'll see any Philosopher's Eggs, Sign of Chastity's or Pride of the Lion's in this game, haha.

Edit: Just hope we can actually jump cancel in this game. I'm not great at it, but can do it well with time and practice. I mean I could reach the height limit in DMC4 when pulling an enemy towards me, jumping off of it, pulling it towards me again, jumping off of it etc, so it's a fun thing to do, but I just don't know if it'll be included.

Jump cancelling actually enabled me to do some secret missions in DMC3 that I couldn't do before.

Carbonox_Ratchet

11-06-11, 01:09

Oh yeah, Batman's combat is fluid. It's smooth going from enemy to enemy but the main point is that you're either punching/kicking or jumping over an enemy when moving to and fro. You're not doing a gazillion different combos in such a short space of time, switching weapons on the fly, etc. Such a pace would probably break the engine, haha.

What I'm worried about regarding jump cancelling is that it requires precision and clear/smooth transitioning of the frames so that you can time the jump to perfection. With 30fps, it's possible that you could miss what would have looked like a completely blatantly opportunity for the cancel. That's an INSANELY big thing to get wrong on the development side.

Even worse? Things like Gilgamesh's DT Real Impact (where you hit DT the moment the first hit lands, then press L1 again the moment the exact frame the last hit connects). Not that I'm saying Real Impact will return but the intricacy in just this one ability is extremely brilliant for an action game. Such intricacy is impossible to replicate in 30fps. Now wouldn't that be extremely saddening to know that the more technical aspects of Devil May Cry's combat will be non-existent. The fact that all you can see is all you can do.

CaptainCortez

11-06-11, 01:16

You what!? - http://youtu.be/GfyFMHMGmXA

That is something I didn't know about. I hardly used those weapons as I thought the whole point in them was to charge the attacks up, and it took too long. :/

Haha, well apparently there's still a lot to learn. I play all DMC games how I played DMC1 (using the basics and just getting incredibly good at timing things), so maybe I should try to learn all of these undiscovered things I didn't know about.

Jump cancelling was quite new to me as well. I think I learned about that at some point last year.

Carbonox_Ratchet

11-06-11, 01:30

Yeah there were new moves and techniques coming out for Devil May Cry 3 YEARS after initial release. The level of depth is unrivaled and the perfect frame-rate had a lot to do with the success of many of these things.

You could kill a Blitz in one go with DT Real Impact, once you lowered its electric shield. Brutal technique. So so so sooooooooo overpowered.

CaptainCortez

11-06-11, 01:33

Could you pull it off then? :p

Carbonox_Ratchet

11-06-11, 02:30

Yes, it wasn't hard to pull off at all. It was the go-to ability (along with Lucifer's R1+Triangle spam) for any Dante user when facing Blitz as it's the fastest method.

LeonBelmontX

11-06-11, 10:45

The Capcom blog said that there was supposed to be an interview about DmC, any idea if there's anywhere we can see or read anything about what was said?

(Referring to this article - http://www.capcom-unity.com/devil_may_cry/blog/2011/06/07/live_stream_schedule_for_tomorrow_-_dmc_producer_interview)

Carbonox_Ratchet

11-06-11, 14:07

No transcript as far as I'm aware but I did watch it. Pretty much nothing was revealed. Too much "can't say" replies, making the entire thing pointless. Only thing that you could take away from it is that there will be a lot of weapons.

LeonBelmontX

11-06-11, 14:33

Only thing that you could take away from it is that there will be a lot of weapons.

Well that's something, at least. And by a lot, I hope they mean more than three :P

CaptainCortez

11-06-11, 16:30

Sounds pretty cool to try out, as I did like the way Gilgamesh' blades/spurs actually spun.

Anyway, I hope they mean weapons as in actual multiple weapons, not just one transforming one throughout the game.

I mean I like the look of the scythe weapon, but the sword type is too thin, and the hammer, I can't really see Dante using. It's more a Ninja Gaiden weapon. So yea, hopefully more weapons will be in it, but Rebellion needs to show up if they're still sticking by a fair bit of what we know of DMC.

LeonBelmontX

13-06-11, 22:23

Just watched the interview, Alex Jones' constant foot tapping was really distracting! He always looks like he wishes he wasn't there, is it just me?

As you said, not much info really. It's pretty much summed up as "Yeah, it's sort of like the old DMC but we've done our own thing with it which everyone is going to love because its so awesome"

Now it's just back to waiting I guess. Feels like we've had a slice of info but nothing really solid to draw any conclusions on. Need to see more of the game's setting and flow of it's combat I think.

I really hope the weapons don't end up feeling like Ninja Gaiden. I always find myself only liking one or two weapons and ignoring the rest. So far, DMC has made the vast majority of it's weapons equally interesting and useful in their own ways.

AND I WANT TO SEE RED ORBS!!

Carbonox_Ratchet

14-06-11, 00:50

CaptainCortez

14-06-11, 06:21

I think I killed the Ninja Theory forums with such a massive post.......that's also going into the EEE (E3 LOL) feedback thread on here. It's just my DMC post though.

Everything else will have to be mentioned separately.

Anyway, I too only stuck with Ebony and Ivory, but I did love the Nevan Guitar and the Cerberus Three Pronged Nun-Chaku.

Still, the most effective weapons in DMC3 that I used were Rebellion, Agni and Rudra, Ebony and Ivory, and Kalina Ann (for overwhelming crowd control).

Colbea

14-06-11, 15:34

Loved DMC4, I don't know why many people didn't like it.

Hopefully the gameplay is still solid and this emo nonsense doesn't ruin the experience.

Carbonox_Ratchet

14-06-11, 17:57

A lot of people didn't like it because of the back-tracking and the fact that the game seemed to be made around Nero, rather than Dante (style-switching aside, he seemed out of place). I still loved it though.

Megaman

14-06-11, 20:14

aha something to add;

Dante has WHITE HAIR AND HIS TOTALLY RED JACKET in the black white gameplay of the trailer... .

the perfect marriage of Capcom with Ninja Theory?

Carbonox_Ratchet

14-06-11, 20:26

We know next to nothing about the game, nor do we understand the meaning behind everything. So how on Earth is this the "perfect marriage". You're throwing around moot comments here.

LeonBelmontX

15-06-11, 10:08

Yeah Alex said that he was hungover. Great excuse, haha.

With DMC, I'm always sticking with a certain amount of weapons. I don't use most of them once I get in my stride.

DMC1: Alastor
DMC2: Rebellion
DMC3: Rebellion/Beowulf/Agni & Rudra
DMC4: Rebellion/Gilgamesh

I don't even bother with any firearms. I just keep E&I as default.

I just hope that DmC offers enough weapons so that I can find my favoured few.

I usually do stick to a certain couple of weapons per playthrough. However, I generally think that most Devil Arms feel balanced in use and power, and it's much more a matter of preference than certain weapons being useless. Aside from the Force Edge in DMC1 of course, but that's more of a plot device. Nevan is a bit of a tricky weapon to use, but far from useless - especially when mixed up with attacks from other weapons.

With Ninja Gaiden, I always find myself toying with other weapons, but generally returning to the katana as it just feels so much more useful than other weapons. Sure, I mess around with the nunchucks or greatswords now and then, but I don't generally see them as serious weapon choices.

Loved DMC4, I don't know why many people didn't like it.

Hopefully the gameplay is still solid and this emo nonsense doesn't ruin the experience.

I liked DMC4, but it just didn't match up to DMC1 or 3 for me.

Pros:
+ Good graphics
+ I liked Nero as a character
+ Enjoyed the story
+ Some good bosses such as Credo and Dante

Cons:
- Nero has no weapon options and nowhere near as many combo options as Dante
- Forced character switching broke the pace, and while Dante was fun his levels were all backtracking. Also made the game more tedious to replay, making Dante's levels feel a constant chore.
- Devil Bringer felt overpowered, while occasionally fun it just detracted from the focus on weapon combos
- Lack of unlockables, every DMC so far has has more alternate costumes which personally made subsequent playthroughs more interesting (I miss LDK costume, and would have liked to see what they could have done with Nero's alts)
- Lack of explanation to Nero's roots, half of the interest in Nero's story was finding out what his mysterious link to Dante was

Not saying DMC4 was a bad game, it just lacked so much replay value for me, DMC3 being one of my most-played games of all time. With DMC1 or 3 I could play the whole game over using a different weapon, and it would change the experience altogther. DMC4 gave me nothing but Red Queen.

If Red Queen had been a weapon in Dante's arsenal, it would have been one of the best. But it just doesn't stand alone as better than having a choice of multiple weapons, imo. Was sorely disappointed Nero didn't get to use the Yamato as a regular Devil Arm either - would have added so much.

CaptainCortez

15-06-11, 14:12

I did like DMC4, just not as much as 1 and 3. I have similar reasons as you Leon, but here goes:

Pros:

Felt like DMC
Nero was pretty awesome
Bosses were fun to fight (as Nero)
Nero's literal Devil Arm was really fun to use and about as powerful as it needed to be
Nero's story was pretty cool
Graphics were nice
Solid framerate
Gameplay was harsh, fast and at times, frantic.
Music was awesome!

Cons:

Although Nero's story was cool, it explained nothing of his origins or how he can even possess demonic power. We all assume this is from vergil, or for a joke, Sparda had a brother, making Nero Dante's cousin, but doubtful.
Dante didn't feel like Dante. He was way too cocky and had a stupid bowl cut hairdo.
Bosses were fun to beat once, but not three time over. This made them a chore and a bore!
Bosses were less fun to beat and play against as Dante.
Didn't like the slow moving, free camera.
View was too far away and needed to be closer behind the characters like in DMC1.
Too much backtracking. Once you played Nero's bit, you knew the whole entire map.
Dante felt rubbish in comparison to Nero, and just tacked on. He didn't get any grabbing finisher moves, or anything as stylish as Nero.
Nero only had one Gun (Blue Rose) and one Sword (Red Queen) where as he should have had new guns and swords to make the game more fun.
Dante had multiple weapons, but because his part of the game was so short, you had no real chance to use each weapon enough to pick a favourite.

Moral of the story - If you're going to make a game, centre it around one character, either as a main game in the timeline, or a spinoff (DMC: Nero's Origins).

Trying to fit two playable characters in one fairly short (all things considered) game, makes it feel rushed.

I liked DMC4 and Echidna is one of my all time favourite bosses but only as Nero. Hopefully DmC can make the games fun again. Younger Dante's a lot cooler than old DMC2 and 4 Dante (though DMC1 is still badass and slower but more precise).