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Why is all the manuals ugly black and white?
What are these manual things you speak off?
yea its rather common to see manuals in black and white, although i never read them to learn how to play the game i like having them in colour
Carbonox_Ratchet
17-03-09, 13:17
Although it's strange, I find the black and white colouration of the Resident Evil 5 manual suitable for the game and the Kijuju black and white promotional art.
heh dont encourage them CR, otherwise they will say they did it on purpose! anyway im sure it wont be long until all manuals are like online or on the disc or something as games these days have such indepth character profiles and tutorials that it the manual often has less information regarding the game than the options screen!
ManiacFather
17-03-09, 14:28
Although it's strange, I find the black and white colouration of the Resident Evil 5 manual suitable for the game and the Kijuju black and white promotional art.
You deserve a warning here..
Maniac, no need to comment on what moderators or admins should do.
If you feel like a post is genuinely offensive, then use the report function to let us know about it.
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But please don't use it for posts like this, which you know well enough doesn't deserve a warning.
And going on the subject of the topic:
Back in the days, if your manuals were black and white, that was good to look at!
I still have a couple of Sonic games with manuals in red and white, and those genuinely hurt to read.
If you dislike the manuals of games (Since you claim 'all' games, I'll take the RE5 and Street fighter IV manuals as a multiple example) there's bound to be in-game pointers to the information contained within. SFIV has the movelists in the menu, RE5 has the tutorial windows, etc...
Be glad you get a free tutorial goodie, instead of a downloadable tutorial which you have to pay for! Although, maybe you'd be more glad with that, as another chance to complain...
ManiacFather
17-03-09, 15:46
Maniac, no need to comment on what moderators or admins should do.
It was the first time i've done that. You're right tough, that's not my job.
But please don't use it for posts like this, which you know well enough doesn't deserve a warning.
It does deserve a not-so-serious warning.
I find the black and white colouration of the Resident Evil 5 manual suitable for the game and the Kijuju black and white promotional art.
By that, he is implying that RE5 is a black VS white game, which is not true.
By that, he is implying that RE5 is a black VS white game, which is not true.
No he wasn't.
He says it goes well with the Kijuju black and white promotional art.
I think you misunderstood him.
thezombiemessia
17-03-09, 18:18
I only just noticed that it was Black&White in the manual...and I spend hours reading through manuals, just because I like to.
It really didn't bother me at all...and once again I find myself asking the question "Does it really matter?"
Sure, asthetically a Colour manual would be nicer...but in the long run, it does not hamper my enjoyment of the game/games that I play.
The constant and needless whining is getting annoying now...
It would have been a lot nicer and prettier in colour but it doesn't really affect me that much.
James Mitchell
18-03-09, 04:00
My Japanese and Asian releases both came with colour manuals too. The PAL release was the only one that was black and white. A strange choice, not so sure why it was made.
Bu still, it's a pretty minor thing. The game is in colour - that's all that matters, right? =P
charmed699
18-03-09, 11:14
Most companies in Europe always print in Black and White which must have to do with cost effective descisions. It could be that or to help the environment which is what I like to think as it's a nice thought. :)
The only company that seems to just about release every game with a full colour menu is Nintendo. If you guys got games going back to game boy advance and perhaps even older check it out as they really come with one most of the times. :P
Carbonox_Ratchet
18-03-09, 15:24
No he wasn't.
He says it goes well with the Kijuju black and white promotional art.
I think you misunderstood him.
Lol, how anyone could misunderstand my clear and concise point, I do not know. I won't dabble on this non-existant issue though. Just look at the background of this forum to get a full understanding of what I meant.
James, I'm surprised the other versions utilize colour. Not that it really bothers me though; I quite like the use of colour (or lack thereof). :)
US SF4 and RE5 also had color according to Unity.
Why is Europe division so skimpy?
ShaydeZehetbauer
20-03-09, 18:26
Well, printing color manuals for every single copy of say, RE5, SF4 or even Dead Rising Wii costs a hell of a lot of money, which woud lead to poor standards in Capcom Europe releases, seeing as they (in this example) would've spent more money on fancy pants manuals and stuff, instead of spending the money on the processes that happen inside of the Capcom Europe offices.
It's not just Capcom Europe either, just take a look in the manual of other companies with European divisions, such as SEGA or EA Games.
I hope this has helped clarify. ;)
OH NOES! The DVD insert is made out of GLOSSY PAPER! I was expecting a hand drawn cover art with silver-guilded edges!
But seriously, what does it matter? Im going to read it once, stick it back in the box and be done with it, if an art book was black and white i'd understand entirely, but this seems to be constant nit-picking.
What does it matter?
Why do people pay so much extra for useless CE?
Why?
Not sure how it's related, but people pay for Collector's Editions because they like to have the stuff that's bundled with them. And there's the few fans that want to support the developer by buying the more expensive version.
Either way, I don't really see the issue here. We wouldn't really get something worthwhile just because a manual is printed in color, so why blame them for trying to save a bit of money? We don't know what their expenses are, so we're not in a position to judge.
What does it matter?
Why do people pay so much extra for useless CE?
Why?
I don't recall a capcom game being more expensive than a regular one, and nearly EVERY manual for all the other games I own are in black and white, If anything, certain capcom games are released at around £22 in certain shops.
It's related because a fan bordering fanboy, wants the little things. That's why they will pay all that money for shoddy quality extras. Yet Europe fails to deliver something basic like a color manual.
$US60 for RE5 with color manual
$AU119 for RE5 with black and white manual
Tell me you wont mind getting the AU one. And I'll call you a damn liar.
Edit: This has to do with presentation of a product. It obviously does matter, otherwise why not print the box art in black and white? Why not just have a white piece of paper with the game title printed on it and nothing else?
It's related because a fan bordering fanboy, wants the little things. That's why they will pay all that money for shoddy quality extras. Yet Europe fails to deliver something basic like a color manual.
$US60 for RE5 with color manual
$AU119 for RE5 with black and white manual
Tell me you wont mind getting the AU one. And I'll call you a damn liar.
Edit: This has to do with presentation of a product. It obviously does matter, otherwise why not print the box art in black and white? Why not just have a white piece of paper with the game title printed on it and nothing else?
You won't call anyone anything.
As long as I have the game I don't care what version I have or what the packaging looks like.
I pay for the game and the way i store my games you don't even see the cover.
Lots of companys print balck and white manuals so why just single out capcom?
I play the game not the manual, i have not even looked in the manual never do.
What is it with all this moaning over the recent weeks just seems to me your being picky. Go complain at sony for the black and white KZ2 manual, go moan at EA for their black and white manuals.
To be fair, he seems to be complaining not that the RE5 manual is in black and white, but only that it's black and white in some countries, whereas USA etc. are getting colour RE5 manuals. Each region has it's own marketing budgets and project sales, so it shouldn't be surprising to anyone just how much packages differ between regions - take, for example, the limited edition RE5 versions. Every company does it, not just Capcom, and there's more to it than just being "unfair".
Umm, I not too sure. Maybe it has something to do with this being a Capcom forum?
I think you missed Parjay's point completely, nearly EVERY company does it, not just Capcom.
Whilst this thread will probably give feedback towards something like this, don't expect anything to change.
to be honest i didn't notice it was b&w till you started discussing it. simply cuz i didn't read it. nontheless, i kind of understand the complaint. while it may have not been voiced in the best of ways.
People want to know why they get a different manual. And preferably, get a colored one. While not the real point of the game, it would be more neat to have a colored manual.
I myself truly couldn't care less if a manual is colored or not, but i know some people find a diference in small details such as that.
I believe what this thread aimed for was to know, why do manuals get printed in black and white?
AND
Is it possible to change this?
While those are probably issues of policy and budget of the european "division" so to say, if you want to know, this is most probably the best place to ask.
I don't believe the answer other company does it, cuts it out for this one.
Capcom makes games no other company makes and i don't think they try to mold themselves to others. As a big company they certainly try to surpass others.
While that might be a root of the reason, i do not believe it is the reason by itself.
bottom line is, be nice to the curious folks.
They are simply voicing a question and a complaint, capcom might just take it into consideration.
It's a question of economy of scale - the CEI has only one version of the manual whilst CEE has several versions, which means a considerable higher cost per manual.
Couldn't the UK just have the US print copy of the manual without the adverts?
There'd be no need for translation, the main copy could be easily sent over and it wouldn't really need to be vetted unless there were some regional changes in game.
The UK has Pegi/BBFC, the US has ESRB, warranty is different, contact details are different, technical support contacts are different. Not even mentioning the costs of moving tens/hundreds of thousands of manuals from the US to us. A manual without the adverts would be a different copy.
I didn't know manuals were subject to Pegi and BBFC approval as well lol.
Well I can see it wouldn't be viable to ship them across but I would have thought the UK manuals would be printed in the UK anyway so getting them colour printed would be easy.
As Ten has stated, the actual manual's copy similarities end with the game instructions, so it's infeasible to just lump in one copy. Again, it's all down to regional budgets and such; like RE4 and most other RE games, it has two colour manuals in the Canadian version.
I didn't know manuals were subject to Pegi and BBFC approval as well lol.
If you check the last pages, you will find rating and tech support details.
Well I can see it wouldn't be viable to ship them across but I would have thought the UK manuals would be printed in the UK anyway so getting them colour printed would be easy.
So we go back to square one, the printing is the expensive part, not the creation of artwork. The less copies you print, the higher the cost per copy.
The Possessed
24-03-09, 17:21
Isn't it pretty obvious that the whole thing comes down to colour copies costing more money? You have to be cost efficient where you can. Selling each game with full colour manuals can't be a cheap jobbie. I know this has been answered but how could you not see that in the first place? Some people are just looking for a moan now.