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You lot seem like an intelligent bunch. Up for a (fairly grim) discussion?
What are your fews on what happens after we die?
I'm in no way religious and I believe that death is simply death, we die just die. I don't believe that life has meaning.
I believe that 'the soul' is merely your conscious(and unconscious) thoughts and since your brain shuts down when you die that your thought processes die with it and thus your 'soul' ceases to exist too.
If reincarnation did exist/happen, we'd either already know it, or you forget anyway. So there's no solid proof that this would be the case.
I don't believe in any kind of afterlife, and to be honest, I think even heaven, would be fairly hellish since it won't provide the balance that life does.
seth ranson
28-02-10, 15:28
If reincarnation did exist/happen, we'd either already know it, or you forget anyway.
Yeah, and if your forget about your life, you´re not you anymore. At least, I think if I wouldn´t have the memories that I have now, I would be totally different. So it wouldn´t be a "real" reincarnation, like a second life or something like that.
Anyway, I see this pretty much like you do, so.. there´s no real need to discuss anything yet probably.
It´s kind of stupid though, I would prefer something like heaven to death (and not existing anymore), but probably noone wants to stop existing, right?
Yeah, i have the same opinion as you guys.
But one thing concernes me, the flow of energy. Energy does not dissapear, it just turns into another kind of energy. What happens with our energy when we die?
You lot seem like an intelligent bunch. Up for a (fairly grim) discussion?
What are your fews on what happens after we die?
I'm in no way religious and I believe that death is simply death, we die just die. I don't believe that life has meaning.
I believe that 'the soul' is merely your conscious(and unconscious) thoughts and since your brain shuts down when you die that your thought processes die with it and thus your 'soul' ceases to exist too.
If reincarnation did exist/happen, we'd either already know it, or you forget anyway. So there's no solid proof that this would be the case.
I don't believe in any kind of afterlife, and to be honest, I think even heaven, would be fairly hellish since it won't provide the balance that life does.
Well I don't have to pay taxes, that's for sure! And probably I will not meet Hanna Montana as she goes to hell and I go to heaven. :rofl:
thezombiemessia
28-02-10, 17:43
"I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it."
Yeah, I don't think anything more than the normal will happen to those who pass away.
Sure, it'd be amazing if there were an afterlife. But there's no proof of one.
Yeah, i have the same opinion as you guys.
But one thing concernes me, the flow of energy. Energy does not dissapear, it just turns into another kind of energy. What happens with our energy when we die?
As our body decompasoses, the energy is released into the surrounding area. Bacteria and other animals will consume our body, along with it mixing with the ground around us.
Or body heat dissipates within a few hours, etc, etc.
***Note: I will be keeping an eye on this topic, just incase it starts leaning towards an argument. Please remain civil.***
seth ranson
28-02-10, 18:19
"I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it."
I haven´t had any videogames until I became 6 years old, but if you take them away now, I would be quite mad at you^^
-> I haven´t had my life until I´ve been born (...wait, is that even right? anyway, you know what I mean), but if you take it away now I would probably not like it either...
Okay, I know this argument isn´t really working, because you can´t like or not like anything when you don´t exist, but... I thought it would be interesting... maybe...
If you could choose though, you would still choose not to die, wouldn´t you?
***Note: I will be keeping an eye on this topic, just incase it starts leaning towards an argument. Please remain civil.***
How are we going to start an argument? We all have the same opinion basically^^
...but seriously it´s not like we´re infants, right?^^
(hm... don´t pay any attention to the last few lines they´re kind of stupid)
thezombiemessia
28-02-10, 18:29
Okay, I know this argument isn´t really working, because you can´t like or not like anything when you don´t exist, but... I thought it would be interesting... maybe...
You've answered your own question. :p
If you could choose though, you would still choose not to die, wouldn´t you?
If I could I'd choose eternal life. But I cannot base my life choices upon what I wish for.
CaptainCortez
28-02-10, 18:35
Well, you can look at it in a number of ways.
1. You live forever (reincarnation on an infinite loop)
2. You die forever (once you're gone, there's no coming back)
Either way, there's no escape from whatever happens.
Death used to really scare me, and I would think about it as a kid, so deeply, that I would end up physically shaking and having panic attacks 24/7.
When you're effected that badly by something, you eventually get over it, and it doesn't effect you as much. Thing is, it's unavoidable, so you have to unfortunately accept the inevitable.
I'm not religious in any way, shape or form. I won't go into it, as it might offend people who are religious, and trigger off an argument (which I don't want), but I have my reasons.
Thing is, I still believe in ghosts, and find it strange how legitimate mediums can get information so spot on, with random people.
There possibly is something, but I doubt it's heaven or hell. Nobody has come back from the other side to really inform us of what's to come.
I think that once you're dead, it's game over. There's no coming back, and no solid proof that there is something after death.
However, it would be nice if there was something else, and as religions lead people to believe there is, I wouldn't want to take that thought away from people.
If reincarnation did happen, then I wouldn't be too happy if I didn't come back with all of my memories and looks that I have now. Basically, I'd want to look the same, feel the same, and be the same person, otherwise there's just no point to it.
I haven´t had any videogames until I became 6 years old, but if you take them away now, I would be quite mad at you^^
-> I haven´t had my life until I´ve been born (...wait, is that even right? anyway, you know what I mean), but if you take it away now I would probably not like it either...
Okay, I know this argument isn´t really working, because you can´t like or not like anything when you don´t exist, but... I thought it would be interesting... maybe...
Basically it doesnt matter if you die right now or in 50 years. You die, you wont remember anything you ever done, so you cant say: Oh my life was great or i wish i could have lived longer because you will be dead, you wont remember anything.
We live just to pass or genetic information further, that means have children. Come to think of it, i just probably discovered the ultimate goal of our existence :D. We have to find a way to be immortal :D
thezombiemessia
28-02-10, 19:24
Thing is, I still believe in ghosts, and find it strange how legitimate mediums can get information so spot on, with random people.
Are you able to give an example of a legitimate medium?
Also, have you heard of "Cold Reading"?
Are you able to give an example of a legitimate medium?
Also, have you heard of "Cold Reading"?
Is that when a medium will take advantage of the person by how they look, mannerisms and slyly getting the info out of the person with out them realizing ect?
seth ranson
28-02-10, 19:36
You've answered your own question. :p
Sorry, did I ask something?^^
If I could I'd choose eternal life. But I cannot base my life choices upon what I wish for.Okay, that sounds reasonable...
You could try doing what you wish to do though... and fail at doing it^^
Basically it doesnt matter if you die right now or in 50 years. You die, you wont remember anything you ever done, so you cant say: Oh my life was great or i wish i could have lived longer because you will be dead, you wont remember anything.
I know what you mean, but it´s not the feeling after death that concerns me. Just the fact that I will miss out on numerous things here when I´m dead... (okay, i won´t know when i´m dead, but i know right now)
We live just to pass or genetic information further, that means have children. Come to think of it, i just probably discovered the ultimate goal of our existence :D. We have to find a way to be immortal :D
That would be weird...
As soon as you reach that goal your life (that is now eternal) would be kind of meaningless, because you already reached your ultimate goal. It´s like having played through GTA (not that I like that game, but it´s popular, so...) and then just messing around because you have nothing else to do. Some people may like it, but... well I wouldn´t like it really.
chaosriotzero
28-02-10, 20:09
I hope when I die, God gets out a massive TV and shows me the last 5 seconds of my life where I messed up.
Then I get respawned
I hope when I die, God gets out a massive TV and shows me the last 5 seconds of my life where I messed up.
Then I get respawned
Hahaha :D.. or you´ll see a big flashy message with 2 options a minute before you die:
CONTINUE? QUIT GAME
:D
chaosriotzero
28-02-10, 20:17
Hahaha :D.. or you´ll see a big flashy message with 2 options a minute before you die:
CONTINUE? QUIT GAME
:D
or this tastey message appears above your corpse as you have an out of body experience
http://www.herdofcats.ca/files/images/YouAreDead.jpg
thezombiemessia
28-02-10, 20:18
Is that when a medium will take advantage of the person by how they look, mannerisms and slyly getting the info out of the person with out them realizing ect?
Yeah, pretty much.
It's a system that James Randi and Derren Brown have spoken about for years, trying to educate people on how "mediums" do what they do.
If you're good enough with the spoken word, and are competent in basic psychology, it's quite easy to do.
Especially with a large audience.
Richard Dawkins - Cold Reading (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGoWnaKIVaI&feature=related)
Sky_Dragon
28-02-10, 20:23
Isn't cold reading something along the lines of when they ask questions with no definitive answer.
Immortally would bore me, not that I haven't though about it, but there is only so many times that you can do something before it is no longer interesting. Knowing I will die makes life more interesting.
On death, i believe you are reincarnated but not it the typical way. I die. I'm buried. I decompose. My nutrients (energy) is then absorbed into the earth. I then help fuel the circle of life, never existing again, but never not existing either.
thezombiemessia
28-02-10, 20:28
Isn't cold reading something along the lines of when they ask questions with no definitive answer.
Yeah, pretty much.
"I'm hearing the name Paul. Paul? Paul... perhaps someone knows a Paul? Or you're called Paul, or they knew someone called Paul."
"I'm getting the message that the Hospital was involved somehow."
Etc, etc.
CaptainCortez
28-02-10, 20:33
Are you able to give an example of a legitimate medium?
Also, have you heard of "Cold Reading"?
I will go into it, but from what you've said, it seems you've already decided it's all a load of rubbish.
On TV, Colin Fry is quite accurate, and there was a guy called the street walker (can't remember his name).
I'm not talking about Most Haunted, where Derek Acorah gets possessed every 5 seconds, as that's just rubbish. I'm talking about things which cannot be logically explained.
Some people do know these things, and the only reason I know things like this are true with honest people, is because I used to be able to tell what was going to happen, before it did.
It wasn't a case of I could know it, anytime I chose. It just randomly came to me in thoughts, like my conscience was telling me something, and then a few seconds later (sometimes a few days later), everything would happen the exact way I imagined it. It was for stupid things most of the time, which no normal person would think about it, as they were so pointless and trivial.
It happened though, and I don't expect you or anyone else to believe it. I know what happened, and that's good enough for me.
Also, I had one ghostly experience, and my dad (used to be a skeptic) had something really nasty happen to him, when he was staying at a hotel on a business trip once.
His legs and bed were being rattled immensely, and swung from side to side. There was a lot more to it than that, but in short, that's what freaked him out the most. It's funny, as like me, he doesn't really have any fear, but that stopped him from sleeping that night.
Lots of unexplained things happen, but for these reasons, I believe in ghosts.
Sky_Dragon
28-02-10, 20:44
See I find 'ghosts' a stretch. I am not trying to bad mouth your view in any way. However I prefer to work things in a scientific way. I believe that the majority of 'ghosts' sightings are peoples over imaginative minds. The few that aren't I don't know how you would explain. Demons however I could believe. However not in the capacity of monsters or angel, but most likely extraterrestrial activity of some form.
thezombiemessia
28-02-10, 20:46
I assure you, as skeptical as I am, I don't belittle the beliefs of others.
My mind is made up about the people that have attempted to show it to James Randi...they are all fakes, but I cannot say that every person that claims to be a Medium is a fake.
I'd have to test everyone first to make that claim.
However, with regards to Colin Fry, his character has come into question at least once (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Fry) in his career.
Also, remember you're watching it on TV, where you have no first-hand knowledge of what has been edited from the recording, where the audience has come from, what rior conteact he had with the audience members, etc, etc, etc.
As for personal experience, I always take it with a grain of salt because people can always mis-interpret any event. Without proper evaluation, anything can be thought to be supernatural, and a personal experience can rarely be re-tested for validity.
If you want to know about Life after Death I suggest you pick up a copy of this:
"Home with God: In a Life That Never Ends: Neale Donald Walsch"
from your Library, probably one of the best books you'll read about the subject matter without the serious Religious or Theological complexities such discussions would give rise to.
Ohh, so thats what its called, cold reading!
I was always amazed by the low IQ of people in one TV show(dont know the name, on TV reality or somewhere) where a guy was asking: Does anyone know John? Or James? Or Jimbo? And from the crowd: I know Jane and the guy is like: Yeah, Jane, thats it! Makes me wanna laugh and cry at the same time
Thanks TZM for the info.
I live for now and try and better myself on the way.
I do not have any religious views.
As for the afterlife but, even if true or not I have no interest in it now and if it does happen then it will be my life i will work on then and not now.
If their is no life after death I won't have missed anything as hopfully i have made the most of my current one
TheEnglishResident
28-02-10, 22:50
When we die, that is it. Anything else is pure fantasy. If there is a grand design, you have to consider that we are living on a giant rock, in a giant vacuum, floating around a giant ball of fire which is apparently the sole privision for life, which will eventually expand and burn the human race to death - the grand design of an amateur clearly, at least if we are to exercise our egos and consider ourselves something special in the universe, maybe there is a God and he didn't mean to create us, there's another species out there maybe which gets all the benefit of heaven and hell, and fear.
Who knows. I've no religious beliefs in an afterlife or anything. I respect the beliefs of other people, but I'm sick of religion to be honest. It was an old concept for a dark age that no longer exists, and in my opinion is currently doing more damage than good - look how much crap is going on in the world solely based on religion. It's annoying to think about, as it's practically holding us back as a species.
Anyhow, what happens next? Who knows. What happened before? Again, who knows. Science can and will only explain life down to the next microscopic level of it's generation, and again the same old answer to life will elude.
All those things people have mentioned in posts above, ghosts and so on, it all seems like magic or improbable, but we know nothing really about how anything works. Conventional scientific knowledge that we adhere too, desperately to find meaning in our existence, falls apart at the sub-atomic level. With more than six dimensions existing around us, with a probable infinite line of time parallel to our own (according to the latest theories, anyhow), you can't rule out anything about how life and death is suppose to work.
Since life is all you know right now, it matters not where you may be going, what matters is the state you exit it.
SILENTKILLER
02-03-10, 00:58
Well, 99% of my friends are muslims and im nothin ( no christ or whatever ), but i do believe in god. Listening to them and to my family who r christs made me think of it in a different way. There r 4 books, Bible, Koran, Thora and the asian one, dunno its name. But why r there 4 books if theres only 1 god ? I do believe when u die, u either go to heaven or hell. In hell, u pay for ur sins and after that ur sent to heaven. That is what my turkish friends say. Also, if u marry, all of ur sins are erased.
I think that everyone goes to hell first, i dont believe theres someone who never did any sins, not even high priests or whatever. But in the end, we all are in heaven, age 18, not knowing anyone. ( So i was told by my turkish friends ). Thats what i believe.
thezombiemessia
02-03-10, 11:08
There r 4 books, Bible, Koran, Thora and the asian one, dunno its name.
There are far more than 4...
Major Religious Groups (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Religions)
List of Religions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religions)
if u marry, all of ur sins are erased.
Blimey, I didn't know about that. I'm sinless :hop:
Hear that, Undies, not only you've made me an honest woman, you've freed me from my sins :D
Also, if u marry, all of ur sins are erased.
Its like saying: Do you think you have done bad things in the past and you feel bad about them? And are you single? Find yourself a woman, marry her and all your sins will be erased! Do what we say, you´ll feel better and you´ll become one of us. Marriage should be an act that involves only you and the person you love, not god or any religious things.
What im trying to say, i dont believe that if u marry, your sins will be erased, no way. Why would they be erased? Because you swear before god that you will love your wife? But doesnt that make you a believer, even when you arent one?
I hope when I die, God gets out a massive TV and shows me the last 5 seconds of my life where I messed up.
Then I get respawned
Would you rather have a 'You are dead' Resi-style Game Over, or more of a Call of Duty kill cam-type ending?
Is anyone really scared of death? I'm merely scared of not achieving anything/enough and the pain that I might endue before I die, and with the latter death would be a relief.
You can't really know that there is something until you experience it, you may believe that their is something, and that's fine, but it doesn't necessarily prove the existence. Maybe one day I'll be contacted by God, and if that happens I may be converted to whichever religion is correct.
I also don't believe in ghosts or the skill that mediums possess. I do however believe in aliens, although this is unrelated.