Seth, jeez what a cheap boss [Archive]

cl0kst0pr

17-02-09, 23:20

Frustration, thy name is Seth

Ok his attacks are pretty standard cept for one that Capcom imo should get rid of or at least change, the frickin teleport ability. On easy mode i need 20 or more tries before i down him, and the only way ive beaten him is being as cheap as him, doing some of the same moves over and over again...not the hallmark of a great boss tbh. Im not very good at fighting games, but still...thats just stupid, and did i mention it was on easy! Does anyone else have the same level of frustration as me?

Now I love Street Fighter 4 to bits, but this one small flaw really bugs me.

EDIT: He constantly counters or blocks supers and ultras, and there are just certain special moves you can never ever use against him.

EDIT2: But when you finally win over him, victory never tasted so sweet.

Jarlino

18-02-09, 00:08

Im used to SNK dishing out bosses that kick the living daylight out of SFIIs boss Akuma without breaking a sweat.

TBH, Id rather have my bosses hard.
Like you said in the edit, it gives a more rewarding feeling, and generally makes for a more memorable experience.
Soul Calibur 4s boss, for example, was so easy that I had trouble even remembering his name or how he fights, while I was typing this.

And hey...maybe youll notice him becoming slightly easier everytime youre forced to fight him to unlock all the characters. ^_^
Training is key to becoming a Street Fighting master!

michael2016

18-02-09, 00:40

hahahaha I was thinking of making a similar thread about this.
Seth has thoroughly frustrated me beyond belief these past 2 days.
what a BS boss!!!

- Michael

Ryu Kazama

18-02-09, 00:52

You found Algol easy? Hes dirt cheap. The only thing making him easy is the silly glitch where he jumps out of the ring.

Seth is a cheap guy, indeed. Hes actually not too bad once you get used to his moves. I had some major trouble with him at first too. I havent done anything above Medium or Hard but he basically plays the same in each mode though he teleports less and does less Ultra combos in easier difficulties. He generally starts off with his low fierce (stretch) so jump it and fly kick him in the face. He does this a fair bit if youre a distance away. On later difficulties hell mix it up and throw Sonic Booms if youre too far. Jump in too close and he will Shoryuken you. Stand too close and he will pile driver you. You can pretty much just repeat all that and stay a good distance away. If he has an Ultra, on harder modes he WILL use it a lot. So if he does the stretchy arms and you jump to kick him, do it but do NOT follow it up with a sweep. He will just catch you with the Ultra. All this applies for most characters. If your character has EX projectiles then you can use them, too against his Sonic Booms. Also, try not to do wakeups (on harder modes). Hes just that weird hell grab you out of an EX wake up Shoryuken.

Jarlino

19-02-09, 20:28

Dear users,

Please use this thread in the future to discuss everything about the new end-boss here.
Going from his cheapness, to effective techniques to beat Seth.

Only YOU can prevent forum clutter!

Thank you for reading ,
Jarlino.

KenMasters

19-02-09, 20:43

My apologies for opening the other thread to rant about Seth i didnt see this one hehe :)

Anyhow after 2 and a half hours of trying, i finally beat Seth on Easy using Crimson Viper..why i find her particularly difficult to use i dont know considering ive already beaten Seth several times on Normal using other characters (Ken, Ryu, Chun-Li, Sakura) anyway, yes the only way i was able to beat him with Crimson Viper was to lower my fighting standards to his level...all i did was to trap him in the corner, keep close to him and keep sweeping everytime he tried to get up off the floor...timing is cruicial as he can get out and punish you with his Ultra...Ken, Ryu and Sakura are pretty smooth to combo with all the various special moves in my opinion and i was able to use them to beat Seth on the more harder difficulties with less of a struggle than this one took....but still why is he sooooo dang hard!

Dizzky

19-02-09, 21:10

I also think that the EASIEST and EASY difficulties are way to hard.
EASIEST has to be a walk in the park, but Seth and sometimes characters before Seth are to hard to beat on this difficultie.

krazyvinny

20-02-09, 10:46

Zangief was harder.
I beat Seth in 2? 3? goes on medium.

human_scum

20-02-09, 12:30

Remember how Muhammad Ali beat George Forman in Rumble in the Jungle? He wasnt going all out like usual, he adapted to his opponent and was just blocking for round after round to tire Foreman out. Is anyone going to call either fighter cheap, or was it genius?

Just adapt you style to fit, so what if it isnt spectacular?

Jarlino

20-02-09, 22:32

You have no right to call Seth cheap until youve tried beating him Abel on at least Medium difficulity (with best of out 3 rounds, since he powers up after your first win)
I spent an hour swearing like a sailor, though prevailed in the end. ^_^

armlesscorps

21-02-09, 03:25

It took me an hour to beat seth on medium with ryu. It was quite enjoyable and I didnt think he was too cheap. Sounds like hes pissing off the casual audience whom this game was partly targeted at though. I wouldnt have minded if he was easier and then I could have just gone online sooner and defeated the cheap human beings there instead.
I thought the key to defeating him was just to watch out for his grabs on wake up and make sure u punish his mistakes with combos. I also found that jumping over his head when he tries to ultra you was quite fun. Does anyone know if there is anyway to dodge his ultra apart from this, does it have a horizontal range? He certainly was less cheap than the guy in SF3 at least he didnt come back to life or have a move that did about 30 percent hp in chip damage alone!

The Possessed

21-02-09, 09:39

With Shotokanists I dont struggle much simply because Im more adapted to their moves and counters. But when using fighters like Guile, Bison and Abel... Damn I wanted to break the friggin TV. Im so not looking forward to trying him with Zangief. Biggest pain in the ass ever... Next to Shin Akuma.

Nabil Mishima

21-02-09, 11:17

I had a pretty hard time with Seth last night with Sakura. And to agree with the TC, yeah hes cheap.

Evokazz

21-02-09, 16:27

Squirrel NZ

22-02-09, 01:33

Just registered after reading this thread, I was looking forward to SF4 as much as the next guy, been playing since SF2 Turbo on the SNES, and I was devastated with what Capcom have done with this end boss, Capcom have made the perfect SF4 game, and I love everything about it, it was perfect experience, then I reached Seth, and it took a nasty tumble downwards.

I feel petty saying it, but so many around the world are saying the same thing, yes 1 guy, 1 single fighter has ruined an excellent game, cheap is not the word, he is almost impossible to beat unless you use the time out trick, or spam with Zangief.

Veterans who have already mastered SF4 will disagree, and people who wish to come accross as clever who will say........nah Seth is cool, no problem for me, then fair enough, thats cool, we all like a challenge, but there is a fine line between a fun challenging fight, and pure frustration, I hate playing Arcade Mode now as to me, and millions of others playing, it is broken, and a total waste, unless you want achievements/trophies. Online is where the fun is, we are all having to make our own fun from this game.

Please someone from Capcom tell me, you made the perfect game, why ruin it with this guy? I dont mean the design, or his moves, just the AI is disgraceful. Way to ruin an amazing project, it is the same situation if you found a golden bar, and the took a giant dump on it, why deface a pleasent experience?

Please.......Please take a lesson from Rockstar, with Midnight Club, and release a patch to fix your broken AI, on just this character. Everything else is fine.

Spot-on Evokazz. Well, after 1 hour and 37 minutes, Im giving up! I love the game until the final boss and then it looses any sence of fun for me. And Im playing on easy! The xbox controller is woweful as pulling off moves, it is no longer a science as it was with the snes controller - very responsive, the 360 controller is very awkward and hurts my hands after a while and its easy to loose grip as its shiny.

The game is a keeper for 2player battles with mates - but as for the arcaide mode - way to hard! Im playing on easy for god sake!

I can imagine a patch to ease on the learning curve - sooner rather than later for the casual gamer please! Im a casual gamer and love the game, as has been said before. I dont have the time to invest as alot of the hardcore gamers do, and I expect to beat a beat-em-up game after a while on easy, 1 hour I played against seff, on easy, on one fight. All I had to do was beat him once to beat the boss and I failed as the boss ids too hard for the casual gamer, as has been said before is the demographic they were aiming this game at! EASY SHOULD BE AIMED AT THE CASUAL GAMER. I FEEL IT HAS NOT!

pull_ken_over

22-02-09, 21:55

I have to agree that Seth is ruining an otherwise amazing game. Its not just that hes tough, I really like bosses to be very difficult to beat but they should require skill and good use of the games moves and techniques, Seth seems to be mainly pot luck as you try to cheat more than he does hoping he doesnt get hold of you too much too soon. Everything else on SF4 is just about perfect IMO, its all totally balanced, challenging but responsive enough to always feel like you are in control, I love the whole game apart from the crappy end boss whose cheap annoying moves dont seem to fit in with the advanced gameplay in the rest of the game.

I had to lower the difficulty from Hard to Med Hard, then Medium just to beat Seth with anyone, the rest of the game now seems too easy but Seth is still impossible with most characters. Some characters are easy to beat him with though on Medium - with Ryu, Ken and Blanka I beat him in 1-3 attempts, but with Sakura Ive tried for hours, its so bloody annoying that as much as I love the game and keep trying, I always have to give up with no more characters unlocked. I dont want to put it on easy and have a boringly easy time getting to Seth just to stand a chance against him, I want that proper Arcade Mode challenge that is so nearly perfect on SF4 if it wasnt for that last round with Seth.

So I hope it does get updated at least slightly, Seth is just too hard to be challenging and, with most characters at least, it is near enough impossible, which sucks.

exillion

23-02-09, 20:43

On the line, its insulting to be bent over by a game like this. Im not a bad gamer but i cant beat this cheating twat for the life of me and pads have been thrown. Im now on easy and basically one handed my way to seth. I can kick his arse first round but cant touch him when he powers up. Cmon capcom what were you thinking?! This is frakkin ridiculous!!

armlesscorps

24-02-09, 00:22

They should have made him easier on easy it seems. I guess if your a casual sf player hes going to be too hard for most people who dont have time to practice. Im not being offensive but iv always wondered what ppl get out of playing sf casually, sf games only became fun to me when I got decent at pulling off all the moves.

exillion

24-02-09, 01:38

Well i find it a little stupid that despite i can fairly competently beat everyone on medium upto and including round one with our big blue friend i cant beat him in his second round form on easy. You would think capcom would realise the severity of this imbalance and sort it. But no, it looks like im going to have to reduce the difficulty level so low the cpu will seem to be paddling in marmite just so i can get through and beat this dick once and for all. I enjoy a challenge dont get me wrong but when im trying to beat the same twat for 2 hours and the 7 or so people before him take an accumulated 10 to 15 mins then the difficulty curve just went from deep sea diving to nose bleeds without stopping to look at the flippin clouds.

Im not a SF master, there are harder difficulties for those who are. I dont remember a game making me feel this sub par.

Bondey

24-02-09, 06:55

As I said in another topic, if you manage to grab him, continuously spam Focus Attack, it keels him in seconds. I did him first try with this tactic :P although yes it is a quite noobish way to win the arcade, but dont do it online or prepare to be flamed.

James Mitchell

24-02-09, 13:10

Just be thankful guys that you dont need to continually insert coins to play =P Wed all be broke otherwise.

Ive not had problems with beating Seth besides when I used Bison to unlock Rose (my fave). Maybe thats because it was the first thing I did and I wasnt used to, but I have had no problems thus far.

Beating him with Dhalsim on Medium, however, is something I do not look forward to. =(

CaRm0n

24-02-09, 21:22

Just be thankful guys that you dont need to continually insert coins to play =P Wed all be broke otherwise.
it would have been cheaper than splashing out on new controllers all the time from breaking them, lmao (joking by the way)

But on a serious note am glad not the only one that having problems with Seth i mean i play it on easiest (yeah point and laugh) and only been able to beat him with Ryu and Ken (after infinte continues). But anyone else i have no chance to matter what i do who always blocks then piledriver followed by upper cuts then another grab and piledriver. I mean dont get me wrong i love the game!! but just hope they weaken him down for the lower levels

Soljak

25-02-09, 01:03

hrm,

at the start, through my first few arcade games seth proved to be a right formidable foe, although after time and once you develop your skills he becomes alot easier, especially on the lower difficulties...

funnily enough i actually beat him the fastest and easiest with sakura ^^ she rocks socks! and if your having problems with her, dont try dan ;)

raziel2001au

27-02-09, 02:57

I just created an account to show my frustration as well... Capcom, what the hell is the point in adding difficulty levels so we can have a good solid game at our own level if youre just going to end up throwing Seth at us at the end. Seriously, I consider Seth a game bug, he is way unfair, and down-right broken.

Im all for a challenge, but things have pretty much been reduced for me to play at the easiest setting, be bored out of my skull with all the easy-fries all the way through to seth, and then just to loose. It took me 87 tries the last time to finally beat him. I mean, isnt there clearly something wrong with this picture.

Luckily were not the only ones complaining about it, there are uproars about it all over the internet. My personal favorite being: http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/BahamutZero/f-ck-you-seth-122170.phtml

Capcom, you seriously have to patch the game and fix Seth, the game is unplayable as it is, if we play at the difficulty were comfortable with, we simply cant finish the game, if we lower the difficulty, the game becomes boring... so what exactly do you want us to do Capcom? I think SF4 had the ability to be the greatest fighter in history, but this bullsh*t just spoiled the entire game, it sucks.

Fix it.
edit: Second run through, I seriously cant believe this ****... Ive been going now for 3 hours solid... not a single retry on any characters until I hit seth. Playing on easy because Capcom doesnt allow you to finish the game on anything higher than that, and even at easy, Seth is impossible. Capcom, fix this because I am seriously starting to become insanely furious along with everyone else that bought the game.

The Possessed

27-02-09, 07:27

There are tways to beat Seth with a fair amount of ease, but it means using cheap tactics.

raziel2001au

27-02-09, 08:45

Yeah I know, people online are recommending that you play the game on very easy, single rounds only @ 30 seconds max in order to unlock the characters and stuff. Im starting to think I may have to go down that route as well - but this sucks really really badly.

Whichever way you look at it, this is a game bug. Most people who start playing a fighting game does it to actually finish the game from beginning to end. Due to what Capcom has done with Seth though, it makes it impossible to actually play the game at the difficulty level you should be able to play it at. If I want to play to finish, I now MUST play at very easy, at which point the entire game becomes down-right boring. Everyone is a complete push-over and it all feels like a waste of my time and is not fun, finally, you reach the end boss and guess what... he is still virtually unkillable which just ends in frustration, even when I killed him before I felt no satisfaction watsoever since I just spent the last 3 hours replaying the same fight again and again and again. I ended up just feeling bored with a significant level of frustration to go along with it. Seth has ruined a game that could have been a lot of fun and I think it is inexcusable to have shipped the game like this - how in the hell didnt the testers pick up on this?

The very least I expect from Capcom is for them to fix this bug with a patch and at least make the game fun after patching. And I dont think it can be argued as not being a bug, it destroys all the fun, the only way to beat the game is to play on very easy, playing on very easy sucks, its boring, but if you dont, you cant kill the end boss - there is no way to justify this except to call it a game bug.

Since I did not die a single time on medium up to Seth, I would expect to be able to beat Seth on medium after maybe 3 to 5 retries, not this crap where you just get stuck and end up having to quit the game and resort to these cheap tactics as you put it, or playing several difficulty settings below my ability. Even on very easy Im struggling like hell with Seth and it usually takes me hours to actually beat him. There is clearly something wrong with the game mechanics here.

CONCLUSION: This should be considered a game bug and fixed as soon as possible. At the very least I would expect to be given an option to make Seth easier after a bunch of retries (3 or so... another fighting game did this with its final boss, cant remember which one though, and that worked really well).

It is on the same level as signing up for ADSL internet, then being sent a wireless broadband modem you cant actually use with ADSL. I ask for medium difficulty, but the game gives me an end boss no one actually at that level will ever be able to beat. Why do I have to be forced to play the game at difficulty settings I dont find fun just to be able to beat Seth? What is a Street Fighter newbie supposed to do that currently can only barely reach him at very easy? They are screwed as far as I can tell since I cant even beat him on very easy. Seth is clearly broken and should be fixed.

Urya

27-02-09, 08:45

Weve got all this complaining to thank to the redundant difficulty setting weve had in games like Fable 2 and Prince of Persia.

Come on people, being frustrated by the last boss is part of any decent game. Quit blaming the developers and start trying more.

raziel2001au

27-02-09, 09:59

I totally agree that PoP is way too easy... this is completely different though - but in some ways the same. Seth is on a level where you cant actually have a decent challenging game and then actually finish the game. So, the only way past this problem is to set the game to a level so easy it is no longer fun. So I would say that SF4 is exactly like PoP, too easy, because the end boss forces us to play the game on the easiest setting.

If we could play the game on medium which I find a good level to play at, but still finish the final boss, I think the game would actually be fun. Like I said, at the very least people should have an option to have the end boss on a more casual difficulty level. I would say the player should have a choice - and this is sorta where Im going, give the players a choice to have Seth be easier so you can play at a more challenging difficulty level but still finish the game.

Right now, I can play rock solid at medium, but Seth is impossible to beat at that point, so if I pick the difficulty I want to play at, I cant finish the game. Even at very easy, Seth is waaay harder than he should be.

Im not saying turn SF4 into PoP in terms of difficulty... Im just saying scale the final boss fairly. If a player plays at medium to give himself a challenge, why stop him from finishing the game altogether? Instead I have to play at Very Easy, be bored all the way to the end, then get frustrated after a few hours of trying to beat the last boss.

muh

28-02-09, 23:17

This boss is ridiculous, like this stupid attack he does when he grab and throw you on the screen.

The first time i beat him i was happy not because the fight was epic but because the game was over and i could do something else than lost time on this retarded boss.

raziel2001au

01-03-09, 12:11

I really think this should be considered a bug - after all, Capcom did promise to target both hardcore players and casual gamers/people new to Street Fighter... I cant see any SF newbies having even a minute chance of beating this guy even on the easier difficulty levels and even as they get better they cant switch to higher difficulty levels because the boss will just end up scaling along with the difficulty level increases. Quite a predicament Capcom has placed us in. Play at your intended level, and you wont finish the game. If youre a new player, youre simply screwed - thats it, didnt your mother ever tell you that you should have played since SF2 hit the arcades?

At the very least they should introduce an option to make Seth easier. Right now I cant see any beginners getting past that guy, so, if Capcom doesnt do something I would have to say they havent fulfilled their promise. I dont consider a game newbie friendly if it cant be finished by beginners. At the same time I realise there are hardcore players that want the challenge, therefore I would suggest having an option to make Seth easy for round 2 as well, and have another option to keep him in his current state for round 2. That way you keep both camps happy.

Capcom, please do something about this.

p.s. for an entertaining read, check this guys blog, this totally cracked me up: http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/BahamutZero/f-ck-you-seth-122170.phtml

JDK

01-03-09, 17:34

I agree that seth is disproportionatly tough, at least once he has powered up, compared to the other characters. I can only assume he was made this tough to nickle and dime the arcade rats but with a home release i would like to see an update to bring his difficulty inline with the other characters. Yes you can beat seth very easily on the lower difficulties but thats not the point as all the preceding charecters will be ridiculously easy to the point where playing them is no fun. What i would like is a gradual increase in level of difficulty as you play. For example at my current level which admitably isnt particularly good i am at home most on hardest against every other character but seth who i struggle to beat with some charecters on normal once he has powered up (no use selecting 1 round fights cos hes powered up from the start then). The first round is easy, and imo is a better representation of the difficulty level the charecter should have at medium.

I dont have a probem with characters being tough because of cheapness, after all AI has to be made up for somehow but it would be nice to see a small incremental rise in difficulty as you progress through the stages rarther than a disproprtionate spike that causes you to have to play all the preceding characters on a difficulty below where you want to just to beat the end boss.

I would much rarther see characters only unlocked and achievements given for completion on harder difficulties if it means that the lower difficulties could have seths difficulty more in line with the other characters.

raziel2001au

01-03-09, 23:24

If you prevent character unlocks on the easier difficulty levels it could completely prevent players newish to the series from being able to unlock the additional characters, which is bad (well, with Seth as he is that is currently true anyway). Instead, like I said, I believe the best way around this issue is for Capcom to add in an option so that Seth stays as he is for both rounds. I believe at that level people who havent grown up on Street Fighter will still be able to beat him with a little bit of difficulty involved - but not to the point where it is preventing them from finishing the game.

Hell, if Capcom truly wants to satisfy everyone they could even have multiple difficulty levels for the end boss selectable by the user... That way you truly cover each camp of user. Right now, Seth only covers the camp of hardcore Street Fighter players (which actually happens to be a pretty small percentage compared to how many will be buying the game simply because its Street Fighter).

You could have Very Easy (which might be easier than round 1 for both rounds, Easy which would be like round 2 for both rounds, Normal which would be a bit harder for round 2, but not to the point of cheapness and Hard, which would be as he is now). I dont even want to imagine Very Hard, but hey, if youre that kinda guy, I think Capcom should cover you as well. At the very least have 2 options, one that keeps him the way he is for round 1 during round 2 as well, or otherwise as he is now.

Trollafce

22-07-09, 23:26

Seth is bad, has all the moves and unlike any other char makes you play cheap..... for and end Boss he is about the least polished of them all he is an allstar spammer and thats it, I really did not expect him after playing through, anyway he is easy if you play cheap but i dont really think thats cool, I will not be buying another game from Capcom, and when they release SF V, I like many others wont be buying or recomending it to anyone... and all because of Seth, the singlemost messed up ending boss for an otherwise great game.

DigitalSouls

23-07-09, 14:17

Hmmm bought the game yesterday and now I'm already thinking of selling it again.

I love to play games... They normally mean fun. When I want it Hardcore, I put it on Hard or Extreme Difficulty. when I want to have fun I go on easy mode... But not with this game.

Seth is way too hard for casual gamers. The game won't provide ANY fun, even on the easiest difficulty.

Maybe the game looks good, but the replay-value is horrible. Crappy release, Capcom.

23-07-09, 22:33

I take it the most of you haven't played Street Fighter III (well I've only played Third Strike) but Gill got to heal to full health as soon as he got killed which is a pain in the lower half as you have to beat him twice in one round!

Anyway onto Seth, you would have to basically play it at a safe distance so he doesn't piledrive or focus you but make sure you are close enough to actually hit him. A good tactic is to knock him down from the air or if you can't, combo into a sweep from the air.

While he is playing you by teleporting, he will likely go right in front of you so throw a slow fireball or do a few light dragon punch and hope it will hit (usually does if done right) or simply if you are using someone like Ryu/Ken, just hurricane kick your way through.

Oh and to all those people who are calling him a bug, if you mean a type of living creature, I'm pretty sure you are mistaken, if it is referring to computer terms, that too is incorrect as bugs are exploits which the game designers/testers didn't know of and I'm pretty certain that they all wanted you to swear at the TV after every couple of losses.

samtman

29-07-09, 16:55

Seth was hard when I first played it but I have worked out how to beat him now and he is not that hard. What ever you do do not jump into him. as the above posters says fight him at distance.

The Possessed

29-07-09, 16:58

I usually found that a jump kick from a distance after walking towards him a little worked well and then that could be followed by a simple sweep or a combo that ends up with him landing on his ass. I don't recommend getting close, comboing him and allowing him to still stand afterwards, he tends to do his teleport piledriver then.

Barinto

21-08-09, 05:44

He's way too easy even on hardest. :( What I hate about him is that whenever I try to throw him, I'm getting thrown... but the day came when I had to play Abel... and I was so happy that I'm the one who keeps throwing him that I lost many times on purpose, just to keep throwing him around. Bwahahaahha, eat that!

Tacs for nubz:
-right at the beginning, jump towards him. He'll do that low yogan crap with his arms. kick him then combo him, then GTFO! If you're far enough he'll start spamming stick boom (that's how it sounds, duh :P). Let him burn his yellows with that. Then you can try the counter-bot tacs (works every time): say if you're Ken, shoot a lollipop at him. He will, of course, jump. Ken + enemy in air = big flaming fist of fury.

Occasionally he will pull you towards him. Colour change beforehand gives it away. jumpkickcombogtfo. (this is also the best time to deliver Ultras)

Win.

Gman707

27-08-09, 09:24

Seth is very anoying! the bosses in Capcom fighters are always a bit cheap but atleast they are not as bad as the ones in SNK's games. good lord! Rugal is the most anoying B*****d in the world.

Francys-Pai

01-09-09, 13:27

It's the bloody teleport and then shoryuken/spinning piledriver that does it for me.
Sonic booms don't bother me as Vega can backflip through them XD, also whoever said on easiest he's a bleeding monster compared to the other difficulties: glad to see im not the only one who thinks this.

And I agree with the OP, the only way ive managed to completely batter him in one go is to be as Cheap as him (Eg with Bison: Bison warp, slide kick, bison warp, slide kick - wash rinse repeat, granted i got a perfect doing that but it goes to show how cheap you can be with characters).

Zombiebrian

08-09-09, 12:47

He's possibly the worst boss in street fighting history Gill at least was a challenge on arcade mode and well banned in tourneys as he was broken.

Seth isnt broken but is highly irritating online he's worse. Allot of easy to use massive combos which has lead to calls for a ban from top players. Even though at top level I have yet to see him be effective in any tourney (the Japanese tend to play arcade not console) but not in any of the us tourneys either.

At mid level though g2 + g1 he not fun to play against there are whispers of him being banned soon but thats just rumor and in places wishful thinking he's just another learned match like gief, blanka and vega he just takes more learning.

Still wish he didnt exist though :chin: