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Emperor Penguin
15-02-10, 13:32
I was browsing the Biohazard games in the "GAMES" section on this site and i noticed that some refer to the genre as "Action" or "Adventure" instead of Survival Horror, though not on most games.
I think what's more urgent is that Neopets Puzzle Adventure is listed with the title 'Nintendo Wii'!
http://www.capcom-europe.com/games/Nintendo-Wii-Nintendo-Wii
That last post made me giggle, cheeky. :P
Yeah, it's not really a big deal, I hardly read the game pages here anyway, I only add the stuff I bought through them.
Emperor Penguin
17-02-10, 13:43
But its only fair that what is right is set right.
TBH, I've spotted all sorts of errors with the gamepages. There's a lot of fixin' needed.
thezombiemessia
23-02-10, 14:50
Survival Horror is a subset of the Action Adventure genre, which is why both genres share so many similarities.
Emperor Penguin
23-02-10, 18:58
Genres are meant to describe games into the DNA and detailed. "Action" and "Adventure" are very broad descriptions and fit for games like max payne but do not get it for Biohazard. That is why "Survival Horror" was established by Biohazard and written on the PS boxes in Japan, to make a detailed description. If "Action" or "Adventure" had been a fitting description this could have been set in the 90's.
I don't know why some tend to write "Action" or "Adventure" about the series, but I believe it is because laziness leads them to think it is right.
I personally am proud of that Biohazard early on signed as "Survival Horror" as it is an original genre. I say this should be honored in all times.
To be quite frank, there isn't too much action in the early Resident Evils at all, compared to a game like Dead Rising, for instance. Therefore, I don't think the term 'action/adventure' applies too well.
IIRC, the term 'survival horror' was created for Resident Evil itself ("Enter the survival horror...").
Either way, I think the game sheets need to be updated, if only gradually.
Emperor Penguin
23-02-10, 20:23
I consider Survival Horror to be born from Biohazard. This is clearly spoken in the games as mentioned in rebirth and also in the first game and 2 by those classic lines. Also Mikami was the one to speak of this new genre instead of going by genres already around.
There may be some saying that some games in the recent times in the series are not Survival Horror but in the ending of the Biohazard 5 demo the writing is seen as: "Genre: Survival Horror".
Whilst I agree that it's a matter worth attending to, it's relativly low priority.
Things are improving and changing all the time, since the revamp of the site a few years ago, things are bound to be broken in the deeper and relatively low traffic site areas, the staff here are naturally going to prioritise things most people are going to notice quickly.
It's difficult to define every genre and many have varying definitions of such games, RE5 had a horror theme but I didn't find it that scary, so, would defining it as "survival horror" change that viewpoint? I think not, considering it's more action and adventure over horror, that title gets priority.
Emperor Penguin
24-02-10, 09:24
How long does it take to change the typing in the section? Do you mean they don't even bother?
Like I have said before the "Survival Horror" in Biohazard is profound, it has always been there. I listed several ways it appears above. Using "Action" or "Adventure" is lacking, there is no profound evidence that this has ever been a stone inside the series and is most often seen used by various game sites who are "outside the zone".
Personally I also think there is a clear difference between "Horror" and "Survival Horror". It may be detailed but there must be a difference. Once again, if the genre had been anything else for Biohazard, Mikami had certainly not decided on "Survival Horror". I do not get how the clear views of that can be missed in the series.
I notice that in the "GAMES" section, some of the games is written as "Survival Horror" and some as another genre. This indicates sloppiness and I dont get how they can be careless on this.
Yeah, but one game is hardly going to get priority when more pressing work has to be done almost daily to keep the site running smoothly, whilst I'm sure it's something that will be picked up on, does it really matter?
I really respect the love you have for the RE franchise, so I mean no disrespect when I voice my opinion here, you've made Capcom aware of the issue and hopefully it'll be resolved eventually, just give it some time.
Emperor Penguin
04-03-10, 21:00
As you can see, this is of high priority to me, yet I do not mean to necessarily force a on-the-second-change on. However I feel a certain laziness here, I mean how often does someone at capcom write in the threads here on forum? Most posts are by non-capcom writers. Also, they may not even have seen this thread yet! My point is, the big concern for me on this is not when it is changed but wheter it will be changed!
As I may have said before, I do not know how much there is to do on the site, but lets also remember that if they had not written wrong in the first place, I would not be writing here, notifying about it.
As you can see, this is of high priority to me, yet I do not mean to necessarily force a on-the-second-change on. However I feel a certain laziness here, I mean how often does someone at capcom write in the threads here on forum? Most posts are by non-capcom writers. Also, they may not even have seen this thread yet! My point is, the big concern for me on this is not when it is changed but wheter it will be changed!
As I may have said before, I do not know how much there is to do on the site, but lets also remember that if they had not written wrong in the first place, I would not be writing here, notifying about it.
It may be to you but unfortunately Capcom have other things that have higher priority.
The way I see it is that it is labeled right anyway as RE or Bio Hazard has gone more towards the action adventure end of the spectrum than survival horror.
Games Shift genre's all the time, Halo, C&C just to name a couple.
It is Capcom's website after all, if they really felt like it, they could replace Resident Evil 5 with pictures of kittens and label it "purvival pawror"...
But seriously, I don't see what the problem is, whilst the website's reputation is bolstered by it being official, it's not exactly at it's prime as far as information goes, this is something that quite a few people have noticed, but it's not going to change overnight, things need box art, corrections and suchlike.
But from what I can see here, genre is a matter of opinion, that doesn't make anyone right or wrong on the subject, so asking that they change it to suit one persons thoughts might conflict with another.
thezombiemessia
05-03-10, 13:53
Is there action in the early Resident Evil titles? Yes...there is.
As much as in, say, Dead Rising? No...but then again, Dead Rising doesn't have as much action as, say, Dynasty Warriors...so should DR be Action considering it doesn't have as much as DW?
Yes, it should...because it still contains Action.
Did the early Resident Evil titles have Adventure in them? Yes, they did. More so than many other titles to be perfectly honest.
I'll agree, the defining aspects of the games were subsets of the Action and the Adventure.
Unlike most Action games, you were asked to Survive, not just fight. But you did still have to fight.
Unlike most Adventure games, there was a strong focus on Horror, instead of comedy or history, etc. But there was still adventure.
Yes, the original RE games are Survival Horror, and I think everybody is aware of this...but to label them as Action Adventure does nothing to harm the franchise, nor the audiences perspective of the franchise.
Infact, to label it more broadly opens it up to a much wider audience, to people that may not have considered playing a Survival Horror specifically, but wouldn't mind attempting an Action Adventure title.
But, as said, I'm sure Capcom Europe will get around to dealing with this at somepoint in the future, but at this moment in time there is a very limited number of people that can work on the site, and they are constantly having to deal with bugs, PR, communicating with the community, organising events, organising competitions, talking to other communities, dealing with head office, etc, etc, etc.
It may only be a few words that need to be re-typed, but finding the time to type a few words into the coding, without accidentally messing up another piece of the code in the process, whilst doing absolutely everything else for the community at the same time...it gets a bit difficult, and smaller issues get pushed aside for when more time is available.
Emperor Penguin
05-03-10, 14:03
I will said it again. "Survival Horror" written on the box of the PS games in Japan.
Demo of Biohazard 5: "Genre: Survival Horror".
Survival Horror has always since the beginning been written as the genre, this doesnt change because someone writes something else on a website. But I tell you, either you respect the origin of the series, or you dont.
I will say again that i believe this is about laziness since this is written on the "GAMES" section: "Resident Evil 5 Xbox 360/PS3 Action Adventure. Resident Evil 5 PC Survival Horror."
Also, all other games in the series has Survival Horror written.
This becomes more a question of laziness and sloppiness. Also, like i said, i do not require a change on a second, but the sign that no one from capcom has even commented on this yet shows the communication level. Some may not consider this important but if i dont emphasise this a lot, this may never be dealt with.
Also there is no point in making excuses, either the mission can be done or it cant. I dont believe that what i think is paramount, it is not about what i think but about correcting.
Some may say that they consider there is "Action/Adventure" in the series but i come back to the origins, what Mikami said and what is printed deep inside the series. The origin genetics would not change.
I realise that wheter this is changed on this site or not may not be important for the series as one could dispose of the writing as incorrect and that may do.
I will said it again. "Survival Horror" written on the box of the PS games in Japan.
Demo of Biohazard 5: "Genre: Survival Horror".
Survival Horror has always since the beginning been written as the genre, this doesnt change because someone writes something else on a website. But I tell you, either you respect the origin of the series, or you dont.
I will say again that i believe this is about laziness since this is written on the "GAMES" section: "Resident Evil 5 Xbox 360/PS3 Action Adventure. Resident Evil 5 PC Survival Horror."
Also, all other games in the series has Survival Horror written.
This becomes more a question of laziness and sloppiness. Also, like i said, i do not require a change on a second, but the sign that no one from capcom has even commented on this yet shows the communication level. Some may not consider this important but if i dont emphasise this a lot, this may never be dealt with.
Also there is no point in making excuses, either the mission can be done or it cant. I dont believe that what i think is paramount, it is not about what i think but about correcting.
Some may say that they consider there is "Action/Adventure" in the series but i come back to the origins, what Mikami said and what is printed deep inside the series. The origin genetics would not change.
I realise that wheter this is changed on this site or not may not be important for the series as one could dispose of the writing as incorrect and that may do.
Maybe they have more important things to do as this is a opinion clearly divided.
It's not a excuse it is a opinion!
The origin genetics of the game have changed.
That's only one opinion which is clearly divided.
Emperor Penguin
05-03-10, 18:28
You may talk about opinions as much as you like, but Mikami has never spoken of else, and "Action/Adventure" has never been officially printed in the way through the years as with Survival Horror.
It is poor performance indeed to not deal out attention to this. No comment, nothing. There is a lack of attention in the forums.
When i said that about excuses, i meant that i do not care about speculative reasons why there may or may not be a change. Speculation is irrelevant.
Why not call it Survival Horror Action Adventure (S.H.A.A)? There nuff said.