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Wed like to hear your opinion about the future of our community. Would you prefer to have a redesigned, improved European forum or join Capcom Unity? Comments and reasons behind your choice much appreciated :)
For those not familiar with Unity, please go and have a look www.capcom-unity.com
charmed699
27-10-08, 11:11
I am a member of Unity and really enjoy reading the staff blogs there but it seems a bit confusing to browse through in order to find the forums and such. It is kind of odd that I only recently joined here actualy since I been coming to read for a few times when a new game came out for info in the last years.
It is nice to have our own special European place rather than be included in such a huge fanbase that the unity site has from all over the world. What would be really cool and might attract new members here is having European staff do blogs and some of the other activities that Unity does? Sorry if it all sounds confusing but from the times I browsed these forums lately it has become more lively so looking forward to seeing what the outcome is. :)
Also is there anything that can be done about the message box being squashed to the bottom or is that just me? :P
It is nice to have our own special European place rather than be included in such a huge fanbase that the unity site has from all over the world. What would be really cool and might attract new members here is having European staff do blogs and some of the other activities that Unity does? Sorry if it all sounds confusing but from the times I browsed these forums lately it has become more lively so looking forward to seeing what the outcome is. :)
i agree
Id say Capcom-Europe. Sure, this place might not be as lively as Unity and technically a lot worse (I know, theres an update coming and all~), but Im liking the whole were-all-in-Europe-so-we-share-releasedates-and-such feel this place has.
That, and I really like the community we have around here, as small as it may be.
Next to that, fully agree with Charmed.
im not keen on Capcom Unity so i am for Capcom Europe all the way.
thezombiemessia
27-10-08, 15:12
Not a huge fan of Unity at all. The design is bland, boring and incredibly hap-hazard.
Plus, its nice to have our own special community here...Id much rather keep it as it is.
Id prefer to see them merged. More users plus faster information plus better forums plus direct contact to CEI sounds all good to me.
Id much prefer to stick with Capcom Europe. Then again, Im a bit racist against the americans.
Im for Europe aswel. Makes me feel special :3
Plus theyre based all the way in the states, so there goes the competitions.
Europe all the way.
Keep the votes coming, please :)
SILENTKILLER
28-10-08, 15:57
I vote for being seperated from the rest of the world :d Im used to this now for 2 years or maybe longer, i cant remember, but what i wanna say is that i dont need to be united with americans and asians, im happy with u guys n girls :)
thezombiemessia
28-10-08, 16:29
I vote for being seperated from the rest of the world :d Im used to this now for 2 years or maybe longer, i cant remember, but what i wanna say is that i dont need to be united with americans and asians, im happy with u guys n girls :)
I think you must have clicked on Unity by accident then...as Unity gained an extra vote...
SILENTKILLER
28-10-08, 18:15
I vote for being seperated from the rest of the world :d Im used to this now for 2 years or maybe longer, i cant remember, but what i wanna say is that i dont need to be united with americans and asians, im happy with u guys n girls :)
I think you must have clicked on Unity by accident then...as Unity gained an extra vote...
lol im not stupid, i didnt press on Unity :)
Its just that some people prefer Unity and not posting comments, as simple as that. I would like to hear their opinion as well, not just the thoughts from the EU forum supporters :)
Sky_Dragon
28-10-08, 22:05
I like it as CE. And I think maybe we should promote ourselves there. So their European members know we are here if they need us. I know I have stated it before and I will do it again. I like the tight knit ness of this forum.
Falkenberg
29-10-08, 09:21
I like it as CE. And I think maybe we should promote ourselves there. So their European members know we are here if they need us. I know I have stated it before and I will do it again. I like the tight knit ness of this forum.
First the tight knitness prevents the forum to become more broaden there are much people who dont prefer tight knitness , afcourse theres nothing wrong if you prefer tight knitness i understand as the majority of the visitors on these forum are teenagers and teenagers overal prefer tight knitness as compare too adults but afcourse there are adult capcom fans also dont forget that....
Second : I say you cant win minds of people too overwelm them with presents , atleast not mine, if you wanna do something on the forum you have too seek for other more structural way,s , afcourse presents are nice i agree and its nice for you kids i also like too see a happy face really...
3d : Unity in comparison too Europe is a bit more brighter,the layout,the set up,less tightknitness so in other words more enjoyieble IMO if you make a fart here on europe everybody hears it...is that how you wanna run a forum...afcourse mods and admins have too be aware of things happening here its normal and prefereble.
Im a Dutch guy and where much of the time sceptic thats why whe where always such briliant traders trou history The Netherlands is a valuable asset in both Humanitarian and social ways even today in a world that is getting harder whe manage too keep our believes and identity.
Thanks.
Edit: Oh and Tenebra your doing a good job i just wanna too mention that :) it was a good decision from CE too set up a new admin who is more involved with the forum afcourse Chompman was a very respected man among the CE visitors and im sure some miss his sence of Humor.
I guess us joining unity dosnt mean us europeans wouldnt get our own threads over there, and Tenebra will still be an admin over that section of the forum. So there really wouldnt be that much of a change. Things like news posts on the main page, could prehaps be changed with just selecting your region in the top corner of the page to show relevent news to us over here. I really dont see that much of a difference, though Capcom dose seem to be pushing Unity more in general so we might see some extra traffic coming through.
Triple Seven
29-10-08, 21:14
First the tight knitness prevents the forum to become more broaden there are much people who dont prefer tight knitness , afcourse theres nothing wrong if you prefer tight knitness i understand as the majority of the visitors on these forum are teenagers and teenagers overal prefer tight knitness as compare too adults but afcourse there are adult capcom fans also dont forget that....
Huh?
Sky_Dragon
29-10-08, 21:40
Basically he is saying that if you are older you dont like to develop friendships with other forum users? Basically I have been on other forum that are so over active that by the time you have posted something the thread you were in is posted off the first page. And I am honestly happy that we dont have people passing through asking the same foolish question thinking its new. *cough* When is Monster Hunter 2 coming to Europe? *cough*
Falkenberg
30-10-08, 06:05
First the tight knitness prevents the forum to become more broaden there are much people who dont prefer tight knitness , afcourse theres nothing wrong if you prefer tight knitness i understand as the majority of the visitors on these forum are teenagers and teenagers overal prefer tight knitness as compare too adults but afcourse there are adult capcom fans also dont forget that....
Huh?
Good Triple 7 im glad your giving your opinion about what i wrote , altrou i dont really now what you mean by saying Huh but im glad you respond hehe it represents some of the thing i have in mind about how things run on the forums you just made it perfectly clear thanks Triple 7.It was not my intention too get you out of your Guard Stand but it happend....Maybe you should change your avatar in something ...a qute puppy or a Bouqet of flowers...
Oke maybe it sounds a little confussing about the adult/teenager stuff maybe im wrong but i dont feel like recall my opinion right now even after a day reading my own opinion.
You guy,s have the right too think what you want about what i wrote i made my point thats what this topic is asking and since tenebra asked a opinion from a non Fanboy i respond in my full onnest way how i feel about it right from the Hart .
Oke i think it was not worhtless what i posted but now it depends on you how you handle it,you can ignore it,but i now in you little heads you think about it....;) sometimes the truth is not that cool people telling the truth are overal in history not that popular...i now...but i prefer it hehe independecy for ever baby !!!
Actually, I think Triple Seven just didnt get what you wrote, grammar-wise. You might want to read your post out loud before posting it, that way youd be sure it makes sense to others as well.
No offense though, you should be glad you can speak a foreign language as you do right now.
Please, Falkenberg, Id appreciate if you could avoid biting peoples heads just for not understanding your post - to be honest its pretty unclear as Urya said.
More votes pretty please? :)
Triple Seven
30-10-08, 21:31
I think you should give an individual European forum a proper try. The markets (PAL - NTSC) are still divided.
What about the other language forums? This decision shouldnt be only about those fluent in English.
Triple Seven
31-10-08, 19:21
What about the other language forums? This decision shouldnt be only about those fluent in English.
Good point.
James Mitchell
01-11-08, 10:55
Besides the other language I think its very clear we need to merge into Unity. The biggest reason is that NO ONE wants to come here because of certain members and the way things are run. Its an unfortunate truth but I think its seriously the biggest reason.
Unity is an amazing site that pushes the Web 2.0 platform further and I think its time Capcom Europe caught up. Unity is really the only logical way to go in my opinion, I just dont see Capcom Europe thriving anything like it used to and the only way itll happen now is if we expand.
Triple Seven
01-11-08, 14:31
The biggest reason is that NO ONE wants to come here because of certain members and the way things are run.
Oh, who would no one be?
P.S.:
Correction: NO ONE.
Well it doesnt help the image to have moderators posting their concerns on the way things are run publicly on the forum, either.
Nabil Mishima
01-11-08, 15:53
The biggest reason is that NO ONE wants to come here because of certain members and the way things are run.
Oh, who would no one be?
P.S.:
Correction: NO ONE.
I think he means you.......
James Mitchell
02-11-08, 14:24
Im being realistic here guys. Consider the activity of Capcom Unity and then compare it to the activity of Capcom Europe. There is a huge difference.
Well it doesnt help the image to have moderators posting their concerns on the way things are run publicly on the forum, either.
It wasnt my specific opinion, just things Ive heard along the way.
Triple Seven
02-11-08, 15:22
Well it doesnt help the image to have moderators posting their concerns on the way things are run publicly on the forum, either.
It wasnt my specific opinion, just things Ive heard along the way.
Yet you call it an unfortunate truth. I guess if, and as far, its an universial truth theres no room for opinions. How many - and what - people did you talk to in order to come to the conclusion that no one wants to come here because of certain members and the way things are run?
Besides the other language I think its very clear we need to merge into Unity. The biggest reason is that NO ONE wants to come here because of certain members and the way things are run. Its an unfortunate truth but I think its seriously the biggest reason.
Unity is an amazing site that pushes the Web 2.0 platform further and I think its time Capcom Europe caught up. Unity is really the only logical way to go in my opinion, I just dont see Capcom Europe thriving anything like it used to and the only way itll happen now is if we expand.
Im being realistic here guys. Consider the activity of Capcom Unity and then compare it to the activity of Capcom Europe. There is a huge difference.
That, realistically, may be the reason that changes are being discussed, especially when the sites are so different. The fact that Capcom Europe needs to catch up, I agree with that, (clearly) doesnt mean that a merger is the only viable solution. Personally, I also wouldnt call being consumed by Unity an expansion of Capcom Europe. It seems more like an expansion of Unity - and Capcom NA.
Capcom Europe needs to expand (its user base), thats correct. How and under what circumctances that should to be done remains to be discussed. Making bold claims doesnt change much, even if they are in capital letters.
Merge with Unity & if needed, provide a local area within that site.
This site has a lamentable amount of activity & in this day and age the focus should be on unity of western fans, not segregation.
Well it doesnt help the image to have moderators posting their concerns on the way things are run publicly on the forum, either.
It wasnt my specific opinion, just things Ive heard along the way.
Yet you call it an unfortunate truth. I guess if, and as far, its an universial truth theres no room for opinions. How many - and what - people did you talk to in order to come to the conclusion that no one wants to come here because of certain members and the way things are run?
Besides the other language I think its very clear we need to merge into Unity. The biggest reason is that NO ONE wants to come here because of certain members and the way things are run. Its an unfortunate truth but I think its seriously the biggest reason.
Unity is an amazing site that pushes the Web 2.0 platform further and I think its time Capcom Europe caught up. Unity is really the only logical way to go in my opinion, I just dont see Capcom Europe thriving anything like it used to and the only way itll happen now is if we expand.
Im being realistic here guys. Consider the activity of Capcom Unity and then compare it to the activity of Capcom Europe. There is a huge difference.
That, realistically, may be the reason that changes are being discussed, especially when the sites are so different. The fact that Capcom Europe needs to catch up, I agree with that, (clearly) doesnt mean that a merger is the only viable solution. Personally, I also wouldnt call being consumed by Unity an expansion of Capcom Europe. It seems more like an expansion of Unity - and Capcom NA.
Capcom Europe needs to expand (its user base), thats correct. How and under what circumctances that should to be done remains to be discussed. Making bold claims doesnt change much, even if they are in capital letters.
Does it realy matter who said what and when?
He gaves his opinon along with what over people have told him, whats it matter if its 1 person or 10 people or even a 100? It doesnt if they wont come here and say for them selves you cant take it out on Nem for posting what he has been told.
We all want a better comunity and obviously you both have different ideas on that but that not reasion to nit pick at what people have wrote.
I am not a fan of Capcom unity (due to the way the forum/site looks) although it does seem to have a freindlyer aptmasphere than this place so yes i would give it ago BUT i would prefer to stay as we are seperate from Unity but the aptmasphere has to change for it to work, but then again this place has never realy took off even the old forum was slow with trafic.
Its this type of nit picking of members that does not help either as it gives a hostile enviroment which makes it look unfreindly.
If people disagree fine but no need to tear their posts apart, we need to show potentil members that its a nice enviroment here, but these types of comments will only deter people away.
Edit. just needed to make clear i do want to stay as are but i am not fully against change
Triple Seven
03-11-08, 00:10
Does it realy matter who said what and when?
He gaves his opinon along with what over people have told him, whats it matter if its 1 person or 10 people or even a 100? It doesnt if they wont come here and say for them selves you cant take it out on Nem for posting what he has been told.
We all want a better comunity and obviously you both have different ideas on that but that not reasion to nit pick at what people have wrote.
(...)
Its this type of nit picking of members that does not help either as it gives a hostile enviroment which makes it look unfreindly.
If people disagree fine but no need to tear their posts apart, we need to show potentil members that its a nice enviroment here, but these types of comments will only deter people away.
Its not nitpicking and the points discussed are relevant. Im not criticizing Jamess opinion as such either. For example, it does matter how many people are concerned and who these people are. Ten people who have been banned? At any rate, theres a significant difference between ten people, a hundred people and every one (no one). If all the people who dont join the forum do so because they dont like the way it is run or some of the current members then that should probably be the main concern. If merely ten people think so then it is of less importance and certainly not the biggest problem. I respectfully suggest that you read through my post(s) again.
James Mitchell
03-11-08, 03:07
I can think of at least 20 people whove gone to join the forum but havent. Ive done my best to promote the forum outside of the internet itself but theyve all felt the need to shy away. Sure its 20 people in my proximity but surely it happens elsewhere too?
Look to the board activity and how many new members are posting on average for evidence to. Its just not as large as Capcom Unity, which I dont see as being an NA board at all but rather all of Capcoms products coming together, heck Ive got Capcom Unity flyer in my PAL-purchased games too. One single unified community is something that I believe the community needs.
Sure Capcom Europe was tight knit some time ago, but that feeling has since dissipated with the departure of several veteran members and several moderators who were favourites with the regulars. That being said, I dont think well achieve that tight knit feeling ever again and as such I think a merge could improve things and be a viable solution. (Viable, not only)
Does it realy matter who said what and when?
He gaves his opinon along with what over people have told him, whats it matter if its 1 person or 10 people or even a 100? It doesnt if they wont come here and say for them selves you cant take it out on Nem for posting what he has been told.
We all want a better comunity and obviously you both have different ideas on that but that not reasion to nit pick at what people have wrote.
(...)
Its this type of nit picking of members that does not help either as it gives a hostile enviroment which makes it look unfreindly.
If people disagree fine but no need to tear their posts apart, we need to show potentil members that its a nice enviroment here, but these types of comments will only deter people away.
Its not nitpicking and the points discussed are relevant. Im not criticizing Jamess opinion as such either. For example, it does matter how many people are concerned and who these people are. Ten people who have been banned? At any rate, theres a significant difference between ten people, a hundred people and every one (no one). If all the people who dont join the forum do so because they dont like the way it is run or some of the current members then that should probably be the main concern. If merely ten people think so then it is of less importance and certainly not the biggest problem. I respectfully suggest that you read through my post(s) again.
I read your posts first time and understood them some points i agree with some i dont!
but what i am getting atis they are no longer part of this community banned or of their own choice so they are not having a say in what may or may not happen.
So if thats the case it is irellervent if they are not participating for one reasion or anther.
Triple Seven
03-11-08, 14:30
I read your posts first time and understood them some points i agree with some i dont!
but what i am getting atis they are no longer part of this community banned or of their own choice so they are not having a say in what may or may not happen.
So if thats the case it is irellervent if they are not participating for one reasion or anther.
Did I argue the opposite?
I read your posts first time and understood them some points i agree with some i dont!
but what i am getting atis they are no longer part of this community banned or of their own choice so they are not having a say in what may or may not happen.
So if thats the case it is irellervent if they are not participating for one reasion or anther.
Did I argue the opposite?
you said it does matter how many people are concerned and who these people are
And i say it does not matter as they are no longer active part of the forum.
They are not effecting the forum any more so why not let sleeping dogs lie, if they have a grudge then thats their problem we need to move on and forward and forget the past otherwise we will get nowhere.
Thier is no need to know who they are, if they like the changes and come back and stick to the rules then their is not a problem if they come back and dont then its the ban hammer.
I see no point other than retribution in one form or anther once its known who these people are.
Like i said we need to look forward and not backwards it better for the forum and the comunity in my opinion.
I couldnt agree with Spike more, the past is getting a bit stale now and if we want to start having fun again its well time we leave the past where it belongs and move on. Can we, please?
Id also like to keep sticking to Capcom-Europe because of the upcoming update youre working on, Tenebra. There seems to be a whole plan to breathe life in the CE community, and Id love to see what this place would be like if that turned out the way everyones hoping it will. Maybe Im just hoping for too much, so if you think theres a good chance the community would just drop flat on its face again even with the new website and promotional plans, I guess merging might be the way to go. Youre the best one to judge that.
Triple Seven
03-11-08, 18:00
you said it does matter how many people are concerned and who these people are
And i say it does not matter as they are no longer active part of the forum.
They are not effecting the forum any more so why not let sleeping dogs lie, if they have a grudge then thats their problem we need to move on and forward and forget the past otherwise we will get nowhere.
Heres the full quote:
For example, it does matter how many people are concerned and who these people are. Ten people who have been banned? At any rate, theres a significant difference between ten people, a hundred people and every one (no one).
Read that part again and go from there. I am not exclusively, or primarily, talking about people who are no longer active. James said that many people (no one/everyone) dont join because of certain circumstances. I was and still am merely trying to determine who these people (no one) are. The ten people who have been banned were simply mentioned to illustrate a point.
you said it does matter how many people are concerned and who these people are
And i say it does not matter as they are no longer active part of the forum.
They are not effecting the forum any more so why not let sleeping dogs lie, if they have a grudge then thats their problem we need to move on and forward and forget the past otherwise we will get nowhere.
Heres the full quote:
For example, it does matter how many people are concerned and who these people are. Ten people who have been banned? At any rate, theres a significant difference between ten people, a hundred people and every one (no one).
Read that part again and go from there. I am not exclusively, or primarily, talking about people who are no longer active. James said that many people (no one/everyone) dont join because of certain circumstances. I was and still am merely trying to determine who these people (no one) are. The ten people who have been banned were simply mentioned to illustrate a point.
I never said you were, Just becours some one does not mention or reply to everything that is said does not mean they have not read and took it in what has been wrote.
I just used its as a exsample that now is the time to move on, but you seem un willing to do that.
Everbody on the forum has the chance to voice their opinions no one but them selves are stopping them from doing this.
It makes no odds if some one says I heard this Ive heard that but unles the people who originaly said these things are not willing to speek for them selves then leave it be as their is nothing that can be done eitherway.
Time to look to the futer my friend not brood on the past.
Triple Seven
03-11-08, 20:15
You still dont understand and I dont have time to explain every single aspect.
seth ranson
03-11-08, 22:10
I don t like Unity, because I think it s actually too big...
You still dont understand and I dont have time to explain every single aspect.
I do understand.
Does it matter who Nem or who ever has spoken to and who or how many of these No Ones they are? No thats what i am trying to get at. We cant move forward and change if these so called No Ones are continuealy brought up.
We have to put this behind us and move on.
We have to work together to make change and make this a freindly and nicer place in genral. The forum needs a wider apeal to all sorts of people but your be-littleing of people does not help. ( i dont hold it against you as its who you are, like i struggle to get out what i mean into a post which must frustrate you and others but how do you think it frustrates me?)
So no it does not matter who or how many No Ones are out their, our job is to make it a better place so these No Ones and many other people join and feel comfortable and not feel ridiculed and make this a great comunity that it desearves.
I know people like the tight nit community but is that what we realy want? Yes it gives us more chance to win stuff but for what a forum that only gets a handfull off posts per day.
James Mitchell
04-11-08, 15:50
I think Seven is being a bit foolish thinking Id give away this list of names I have. Its merely a recording tool for my own records. You know why? This was my first community and Ive seen it go through so many iterations (even before the phpBB ) and through so many administrators and it really pains me to see it die like this.
Tenebra has, for the most part, been an excellent community manager. Shes throwing a lot of things out there that really motivates users to get involved and it does raise awareness. I mean, who doesnt like free Capcom swag? Shes definitely trying to get the word out there (and in my real life, as Ive said before, I am too).
But, and I must damit I am fault of this too (exams, study etc.), the moderating is suffering. Members are getting reprimanded for merely voicing their opinion (in fact, I think Tenebra unfairly took Sevens side in this very topic when a member commented on the mundane nature of Sevens post) and this creates a negative image of the administration siding with the moderation without considering the aspects that make the member lash out anyway.
Spike brings up some very pertinent points in his latest post in this topic. Belittling shouldnt have any place here. Neither should making fun of someone merely because they capitalise for emphasis. I think thats just plain rude, if you ask me.
As for the forum? I suppose when we integrate a new forum software things should start to pick up a bit. I think this forum has been a disaster quite frankly and the previous forum was awesome, but I am sure if we all wait it out, the new forum will launch, new guidelines should be established for both moderators and members and hopefully Capcom Europe will return to its former glory.
As Spike said also, we dont want an extremely tight knit community. Thats what it is now, and as I said its really dettering new registrations as well as forum veterans being shunned away (Member_Of_Stars is an example I can think of who snapped, along with another moderator who also left back in the day, who of course, knows who he is =P). The members who post often are developing some kind of complex and are sitting high in their ivory tower and it really does make new members feel small and pathetic. Thats something we need to really deter.
James, lets make things very clear - I have never taken anybodys sides. I have simply put my foot down against character assassination, which I have done both with the members and the moderators. Its something I tend to do in private whenever I can, Id like to think that the mods are a team who work with me and the community for the communitys sake and Id say that making my point in public would be less than respectful.
Ive always believed that team work is at the basis of a community. Hopefully this is a clear hint for reflection.
Ryu Kazama
04-11-08, 19:45
I may as well reply now (better late than never, huh). Thinking about it, Id say the best option for now is a merger. The actual active users on the European side of things isnt that big to put so much effort into a forum that isnt being used a whole lot. There are probably more Europeans active on Unity or at places like Shoryuken.com than here. So for now I feel a merger is more of safe option. If the user amount on a European section picks up significantly (and they then vote/demand seperation) then branching off would be worth it. Thats not to say European only stuff couldnt happen with a merger though.
thezombiemessia
04-11-08, 20:09
Bickering aside, I think the major thing that needs to be changed is advertising.
This place, or the possible future version, needs to be advertised more to the European market...rather than constantly pushing Unity.
*shrugs*
This topic confuses the hell out of me, am I the only one that doesnt see all this supposed elitism thats going on? Where? When? Who? Its like everyone is skirting around the topic with vague suggestions of bogeymen or the boards urban legends and basic paranoia.
The only problem Ive ever seen on this forum in any of its iterations are some slightly dodgy moderators and various members that whine alot as they dont take to a mod or admins authority over them.
Tight knitness isnt the problem, it doesnt exist at all; all there is, is a limited number of users that are active. Saying that CE has this problem and Unity doesnt is logically invalid.
The thing that really killed the forum was that succession of board changes and tech issues.
thezombiemessia
04-11-08, 20:49
I agree with Parjay...
The bickering that happens in this forum can be found in any forum. Its human nature to get along with some people, and not get along with others. I guess the fact that this community is smaller makes it easier to spot though.
And I also have to agree that what caused the great decline in activity was more the fact that nobody was really told about the forum change, and then when people did start to trickle in...they had problems posting or doing anything because of bugs.
Those that persisted are still mostly here now, but not many people persisted in using it when it was still buggy.
Triple Seven
04-11-08, 22:22
We can make this very short, James.
(...) NO ONE wants to come here because of certain members and the way things are run. Its an unfortunate truth (...).
You base that lofty claim on what about 20 people told you. I dont care about names. They are irrelevant, at least to me. What matters is these peoples background; were they users, have they been banned - for instance. Whether or not this group is representative or not isnt an entirely different story.
I wasnt belittling Spike. The points he made may be pertinent as long and as far as they are general ones. As for Falkenberg, the part of his post my quote consisted of was unclear both in terms of content and grammar. A huh is pretty precise. Admittedly I couldve used pardon me? instead. However huh? isnt exactly insulting and, to my knowledge, this isnt Congress.
Parjay and TZM have addressed an important point, one James lately hasnt ignored either.
James Mitchell
05-11-08, 14:29
To be honest Seven, the way I look at it, is that although the members who dont post anymore arent here for whatever reason (banning or willful departure) theres also the new members that arent coming in. Those members could be here posting but might just register and have a snoop around and decide its not for them.
I mean, yeah, first and foremost it comes down to the move (and the forum software) but there are other factors too.
I think this discussion is close to over though;)
Triple Seven
05-11-08, 15:36
To be honest Seven, the way I look at it, (...) theres also the new members that arent coming in. Those members could be here posting but might just register and have a snoop around and decide its not for them.
I mean, yeah, first and foremost it comes down to the move (and the forum software) but there are other factors too.
I agree.
Grace Saunders
23-11-08, 18:37
I liked Capcom Unity more back when you were using the name Capcom BBS, as I thought vBulletin had a wonderfully set out structure. However, I must say you have done a great job with both forums. The blue and yellow adaptions makes it very Capcom like in tone.
To be honest Seven, the way I look at it, (...) theres also the new members that arent coming in. Those members could be here posting but might just register and have a snoop around and decide its not for them.
I mean, yeah, first and foremost it comes down to the move (and the forum software) but there are other factors too.
I agree.
I dont. The lack of activity and reluctance of new members started way before the forum move, as everyone who was active on the last forum would know and realise. In that case, it is more the problem with the community itself, with the big change perhaps compounding the problem subjectively.
Now that this poll has been running for a good month, Im starting to wonder.
Are you leaning towards moving or revamping, Tena?
I want to hear your opinions, thats all. The poll is still open in case anyone else wants to contribute, as the redevelopment hasnt started yet.
Yes, Im being deliberately vague :p
Regardless of the actual result, it already showed that this whole forum is ran for ~25 active people, most of which apparently just voted to keep the status quo since the low user number improves their chance for freebies.
Member_of_STARS
25-11-08, 15:01
Regardless of the actual result, it already showed that this whole forum is ran for ~25 active people, most of which apparently just voted to keep the status quo since the low user number improves their chance for freebies.
Conspiracy theories suck the big ones, Scully.
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Whatever has been going on at CE is not due to the new forums or new layout. It started just a tad after I first joined CE, which was (I think) in 2002 or 2003. Quite simply and bluntly, unless CAPCOM starts making games that actually bring people in for discussions, Q&A and unless they make games that inspire people to come up with theories and share their ideas, its just going to get deader and deader. Its as if its all boiled down to releasing mental shovelware. And its not just showing its ugly head at CAPCOM-Europe. Most RE fansites and forums are either dead or walking dead pretending to be active. Off topic posts and 2 days old, inactive RE topics is now what this was once about.
This has nothing to do with elitists. Its the elite bunch of people that actually keep the place fun and something that the new members can look up to and strive for.
The Spirit
25-11-08, 17:20
Members Of Stars is right to a very larg extent, Capcom isnt has hot as it used to be in the old days, in the old days they tried something new and came up
woth fresh projects as (Resident Evil), now they are just milking there franchies, adding a few updates here & there to keep it fresh.
Ubisoft soft on the other hand has been trying very fresh and new things, Prince Of Persia games, Assasins Creed, Tom Clancys games tackle a wide range
of audience & they are more ambitious in there projects.
On a sidenote, Unity is a very larger community & the numbers of Unity outweighs Europe forum. If someone has a doubt that the Europe forum looks better they need to open there eyes and see the nr of user activity taking place in Unity and than Europe.
James Idea of emerging both of the forums is positive for the forums but in the long run, certain users on Capcom Europe are more than uncompatable for the unity and most likely destroy it if not kept undercheck. In short certain users are not at all compatible in any community and are likely to cause problems here & there.
Member_of_STARS
25-11-08, 18:24
Ubisoft soft on the other hand has been trying very fresh and new things, Prince Of Persia games, Assasins Creed, Tom Clancys games tackle a wide range
of audience & they are more ambitious in there projects.
Ill argue with you here. Ubisofts businessmodel is despicable and is 1:1 with Electronic Arts. They are ruining entire franchises, releasing buggy games, ditching established concepts and milking and churning off every penny they can possibly find. I cant believe you used Tom Clancy as an example of their greatness.
Tom Clancy titles are an example of their greed, lack of originality and apalling customer support, not to mention the lack of quality in their games. TC games were a landmark of tactical and realistic, hardcore simulators which people from all fields of life enjoyed and respected. This was before Red Storm Entertainment was bought up by Ubisuck.
Now you see the titles like Vegas, which have nothing to do with neither their source materials nor with what they used to represent.
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On topic though, merging US and European forums is the smartest decision the big goons could make. Since internet is bounderless, keeping two communities apart is just stupid.
The Spirit
25-11-08, 19:12
Ubisoft soft on the other hand has been trying very fresh and new things, Prince Of Persia games, Assasins Creed, Tom Clancys games tackle a wide range
of audience & they are more ambitious in there projects.
Ill argue with you here. Ubisofts businessmodel is despicable and is 1:1 with Electronic Arts. They are ruining entire franchises, releasing buggy games, ditching established concepts and milking and churning off every penny they can possibly find. I cant believe you used Tom Clancy as an example of their greatness.
Tom Clancy titles are an example of their greed, lack of originality and apalling customer support, not to mention the lack of quality in their games. TC games were a landmark of tactical and realistic, hardcore simulators which people from all fields of life enjoyed and respected. This was before Red Storm Entertainment was bought up by Ubisuck.
Now you see the titles like Vegas, which have nothing to do with neither their source materials nor with what they used to represent.
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On topic though, merging US and European forums is the smartest decision the big goons could make. Since internet is bounderless, keeping two communities apart is just stupid.
I think ruining the franchises is a debate between an oldertime gamer and the one who just strated gaming. Oldgamer is like I dont like the direction they are
taking now and the new gamer is like Awesome I havent played anything like this at all. Its the same I like previous Resident Evil games 1.2.3,Venorica X a lot better than the Resident Evil 4. But those who are new to the series nad have played only Resident Evil 4 feel like its the best Resident Evil game ever made.
My point is this, Capcom is not coming with the new ideas as they use to. Prince Of Persia games always existed in the past, but look at Ubisoft how they revamped them into an awesome game, look at the sands triology & with the release of new Prince Of Persia they are taking a totally different direction , Wide range of Tom Clancys game, such as strategy,action,adventure etc
On the otherhand Capcom mis-stepped a lot
-Final Fight Street Wise
- Beatdown Fists Of Vengeance
-Resident Evil Outbreak File 2
-Killer 7
-Georgys Horror Show
-Crimson Tears
- Gods hand
-Chaos Legion
- Onimusha Dawn Of Dreams
-Dino Cisis 3
-Without Warning
These games are a few examples from the last gen that they were just revamping the graphics department, the controls stayed the same as they were with
just minor updates, hence they failed to reach the mass audience like they intended to. If they somehow get thereselves back in groove, this place might get filling up in no time. They need to come up with more fresh games concepts but theres always a risk there in losing money.;)
Yes, Im being deliberately vague :p
As long as you have the guts to admit it. =P
And wow, God Hand was just a graphical revamp? Wouldnt want to go off-topic too much, so could you PM me why you feel that way?
Member_of_STARS
26-11-08, 15:10
I think ruining the franchises is a debate between an oldertime gamer and the one who just strated gaming. Oldgamer is like I dont like the direction they are
taking now and the new gamer is like Awesome I havent played anything like this at all. Its the same I like previous Resident Evil games 1.2.3,Venorica X a lot better than the Resident Evil 4. But those who are new to the series nad have played only Resident Evil 4 feel like its the best Resident Evil game ever made.
Its not a debate between old timers and new gamers when the new gamers have no clue who Thomas Clancy is and what his former videogame development studios has been responsible for.
Tell me, how well did you know the former Rainbow Six titles? Do you know anything about the competitive scenery of hardcore tactical-realistic shooters? Did you know that when Rainbow Six Lockdown was released, it was a major step towards lack of quality, lack of realism and utter lack of substance? Did you know that when R6V was released, the competitive scenery of tactical CQB shooters died in less than 4 months due to bugs, lack of support and horrible perfomance? When I say Ubisuck killed the franchise and milked it, its what I mean. And Im not talking about prepubescent 14 year old kids praising the games as if its the second coming of the Christ. Ubisoft forums are filled with complaints. In order to actually play the game on PC, unless youre using a Pentagon grade machine, youre a subject to going through demanding process of optimizing your own system and the game itsself to gain a few frames, just so it wouldnt play like a cartoon.
Now, Tom Clancy name is used to churn out games that has nothing to do with any of his created universes. Games like EndWar and HAWX are nothing but completely irrelevant games which have the characters taken from Splinter Cell, Rainbow and Ghost Recon and put into a platform that not only have nothing to do with the political realism of the former franchises, but have lost the realism in gameplay aswell.
The comparison between RE4 and R6 would be just if RE4 didnt even start on your system.
My point is this, Capcom is not coming with the new ideas as they use to. Prince Of Persia games always existed in the past, but look at Ubisoft how they revamped them into an awesome game, look at the sands triology & with the release of new Prince Of Persia they are taking a totally different direction , Wide range of Tom Clancys game, such as strategy,action,adventure etc
Prince of Persias background was shallow and vague, hence why the fans didnt have much of any complaints. Tom Clancy name has never been associated with strategy or adventure. They have been a landmark of extremely immersive tactical shooters with characters you care for, putting you right in the shoes of a high grade combat vet. The mission planning stage in R6 doesnt constitute as RTS, by the way. Its just that, mission planning.
These games are a few examples from the last gen that they were just revamping the graphics department, the controls stayed the same as they were with
just minor updates, hence they failed to reach the mass audience like they intended to. If they somehow get thereselves back in groove, this place might get filling up in no time. They need to come up with more fresh games concepts but theres always a risk there in losing money.;)
You dont need to revamp the series 100% to keep the audience interested. The keyword here is EVOLUTION, not REVOLUTION. REVOLUTION is a sign of a terrible businessmodel where the company has no clear goal nor direction to where its going, it just knows that in order cut losses, it has to change. The key to successful business model is to stay ahead of the times and value your regular customers. Hideo Kojima could do it, Konami could do it. Are you saying that CAPCOM houses a bunch of incompetent idiots that cant? Wait... yeah, they cant.
Take DICE as an example. They are catering to their vet fans with games that are improvements of their older games and if they feel like coming up with something completely different and fresh, they are not mutilating their main franchises. Which is what CAPCOM is doing. Its called milking the cow until its tits rot off.
Do you honestly believe that the new direction RE took is that new? The gameplay isnt new and if you dissect the story, its a living testament to CAPCOM going back to their old ways. They used the exact same formula for 9 years, changed it around and are now doing it exactly the same way, until they sell less than a million units, at which point they change the direction and start milking off the brand name again.
All the innovations you were promised with RE5 (heat and cold playing a role, light play in exiting and entering rooms) have been discarded. Were introduced another Umbrella and another Alexia. Weskers characters ambitions are changed to those of Spencers. Its all the same once again.
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So, are you still trying to say that a business cant thrive unless its changing drastically? Once again, get a checkup on Konami. Its Ace Combat and MGS series. Same mechanics, introduction of new tech and new ideas but still the same core principles. Thats how you do it.
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And here we are. You cant keep a community interested in growing itsself if youre releasing BS. The secret behind REs glory has always been a plot which could be argued over and speculated upon, because it was rich enough. I left this forum because the only topics that we had here, were about Ashleys tits and favurite wepun, lulz!. Think RE5 will be any different? All the interviews so far point to the fact that the producers themselves have no idea what they are making.
Triple Seven
26-11-08, 20:09
Not a bad post, Member of STARS.
thezombiemessia
30-11-08, 01:34
I left this forum because the only topics that we had here, were about Ashleys tits and favurite wepun, lulz!. Think RE5 will be any different? All the interviews so far point to the fact that the producers themselves have no idea what they are making.
Its a shame isnt it? There are still a few times when a topic can be started that will discuss the storyline or Universe...but for the most part it is Favourite enemy/weapon/boss battle/character, or just random topics about a specific character, etc.
Sadly, as I think the topic has clearly said so far, I dont think a change of forum will change this fact.
Member_of_STARS
03-12-08, 00:06
I left this forum because the only topics that we had here, were about Ashleys tits and favurite wepun, lulz!. Think RE5 will be any different? All the interviews so far point to the fact that the producers themselves have no idea what they are making.
Its a shame isnt it? There are still a few times when a topic can be started that will discuss the storyline or Universe...but for the most part it is Favourite enemy/weapon/boss battle/character, or just random topics about a specific character, etc.
Sadly, as I think the topic has clearly said so far, I dont think a change of forum will change this fact.
I just recently witnessed successful revival in a gaming community when 3 forums merged. The results were only positive. I find it very archaic that there are separate communities for EU and US. I can understand if the sites are separated, but the community should not.
If Tenebra is the new Chompman and Thrudd, basically the person connecting the community with the guys, and they want something to be done about the inactivity, then a merge should be considered.
Triple Seven
03-12-08, 23:42
Gifts wont get people to stay. Theyll come by and get what they can and leave. A working, modern forum is a basic requirement. Handing out presents attracts people, a functioning forum which, on top of that, offers something exclusive gets them to stay. Exclusive interviews and features make video game news sites report - and link to the source, the forums.
Can a European forum work effectively when it is properly run and advertised? Yes. Does a specific European forum offer likewise benefits?
Member_of_STARS
04-12-08, 15:01
Gifts wont get people to stay. Theyll come by and get what they can and leave. A working, modern forum is a basic requirement. Handing out presents attracts people, a functioning forum which, on top of that, offers something exclusive gets them to stay. Exclusive interviews and features make video game news sites report - and link to the source, the forums.
Can a European forum work effectively when it is properly run and advertised? Yes. Does a specific European forum offer likewise benefits?
Its hard to advertise. Basically, every game in PAL region has www.capcom-... at the back. The only way I could think of this place booming and getting traffic, is if CAPCOM-EU forums got exclusive news and tidbits from various game staff. Currently, there are better sites and forums when it comes to news and fanbase.
I still think that a merge would be one of the best things to do.
Grace Saunders
25-12-08, 20:20
I never returned to Capcom BBS because it was run by morons, at the time. I had met a few of them at other forums and they made my life hell from 2004 up until around 2007. I dont know about now, but when I was hanging out there, the mods were acting like ****heads.
Being company owned and all, Id say that could look bad for you. Capcom Central was a fan site, so that does not count. I got accused of hacking it though, but I never had anything to do with the accusations. :|
The Possessed
27-12-08, 10:47
I wouldnt really care if we united or not. I used to be a frequent member of the US team after a bit of time here. I did like the majority of the members and there were more intelligent topics back then on the BBS. It didnt impress me when I looked more recently, although Im glad Gray Fox got made a mod.
When I joined this forum I was new to message boards and I posted crap as did many other members. I prefer a bit of mental stimulation now though and I am not a kid anymore so this place does get a bit tedious from time to time. Not a heck of a lot of members have progressed in that way that remain here, and those that do cant be bothered to post all that much anymore. Ill admit this place used to be a laugh, I do wonder when we became the mods if that was the start of the downfall though. This place used to just be all random but as rules got governed people got fed up and there became less and less to talk about.
eing company owned and all, Id say that could look bad for you. Capcom Central was a fan site, so that does not count. I got accused of hacking it though, but I never had anything to do with the accusations. Neutral
Isnt it about time you let that go? Seriously Grace how long ago was that?
Grace Saunders
04-01-09, 18:18
I know it was a long time ago, but just read all this.
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Grace_Saunders
If they really wanted to put it behind, why do that?
The Possessed
04-01-09, 18:24
I said you put it behind you, not them.
Get over it and start ignoring it sometimes its the best thing to do *rolls eyes*
Grace Saunders
04-01-09, 18:26
Adaspek gave me a warning. How long before it goes off? :?: :p
Please, this has nothing to do with this thread or site: stay on topic.
Grace Saunders
04-01-09, 18:29
Yeah, okay. But still...
I got PDD-NOS you know. :s
Alexia_Ashford
08-01-09, 21:17
Id say Capcomunity. I really like Capcomunity and the guys there and I think it might be better to have everything in one place, and all the members in one place, rather than on two different sites. Then again saying that, itd be different to know who is from where, and with redesigns theres always the inevitable loss of members. I remember what it was like when Capcomunity went from BBS to Capcomunity, loads of people drifted off.
Zombie Fred
12-01-09, 07:13
Id say Capcomunity. I really like Capcomunity and the guys there and I think it might be better to have everything in one place, and all the members in one place, rather than on two different sites. Then again saying that, itd be different to know who is from where, and with redesigns theres always the inevitable loss of members. I remember what it was like when Capcomunity went from BBS to Capcomunity, loads of people drifted off.
I think that Capcom Europe itself is a good site. Although, I think a re-design for the whole community area would be a nice idea. I like how Capcom-unity is most community centric, with updates, blogs for users, and discussing certain franchises with several staff there, and hearing their questions answered too. I think if CEE was more community-focused, it will bring more fans to discuss about their games and it would be nice to see new creativity, ideas, reading their theories. So I think if the front page had a whole "community" area standing out, replacing the forum tab, then it will help new visitors to navigate to see a community friendly place here, looking forward to hearing from them. A re-design would be nice so it feels "refreshed" for users that navigate around the site.:)
Alexia_Ashford
23-01-09, 17:46
I still think itd be better if it was part of Capcomunity, and Capcomunity was central for the European and US fans, rather than just US. I really like Capcomunitys community focus and think it may help CEE to get more in touch with their community if CEE staff made blogs and were involved with their audience in the way Capcomuntiy is. It depends on what each branch of Capcom is interested in though, each works differently. Capcom Europe, Capcom Japan and Capcom US all have their different ways of doing things.
Thank you for all your feedback, weve listened :)