View Full Version : Computers are "as vital as paper and pen..."
thezombiemessia
21-10-08, 22:05
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1079481/Computers-vital-paper-pen--minister-urges-parents-afford-PC-buy-children.html
The bottom line is that having home access to the internet or a computer is no longer an optional extra for school work - it is fast becoming essential.
Its about time they started to realise how important this is. Sure, we shouldnt heavily rely on computers or the internet...but it has become too useful to just drop now...or ignore...
i had crappy 14.4k modem net when I was in 3rd year, itw as pretty essential back then tooŞ!
True, If I had a computer with internet at school, chances are I would have done much better as I would easily be able to look up anything I didnt understand, instead, I was pretty much dragged through the last few months and was told to beg if I ever wanted to get in to college.
sometiems the net can be a better teacher than a n actual teacher
thezombiemessia
22-10-08, 11:51
Agreed. Ive found the net to be quite useful if I didnt understand something at school.
When I didnt have access to the net or a computer, my work would be so much worse than normal. I had no local Library. and the school Library was very poor...so that didnt help either.
EDIT:
http://www.techwatch.co.uk/2008/10/22/broadband-for-all-plan-outlined/
A bit more info on a project that links with the previous article.
Nabil Mishima
22-10-08, 13:38
sometiems the net can be a better teacher than a n actual teacher
I dont know about that, I think both can explain something as clear as day. Well at least in my case.
thezombiemessia
22-10-08, 14:07
sometiems the net can be a better teacher than a n actual teacher
I dont know about that, I think both can explain something as clear as day. Well at least in my case.
This is why Parjay says sometimes.
Some people have had excellent teachers, other have had poor teachers, and others still have a mixture of the both.
I was lucky to get a mixture when I was at school, and found that when I didnt understand something, books and the internet were also a great source for extra information.
I live a lot of my life online (:dead: ) but I cant bring myself to completely agree with this. My education was fully offline and, even these days, I doubt the internet woud have helped me with my degree, except maybe my mass communication course (but then its an ever-evolving topic). I find most of the information on the web far from being in-depth and in the worst cases plain superficial if not inaccurate.
Professionally the resources I find online, on the other hand, allow me to do my job at a fraction of the time itd take me if I had to look into hard copies - no search engines in books!
Nabil Mishima
22-10-08, 17:32
Back in my school years there wasnt a wikipedia I dont think........And my internet was rubbish so I had to use my books!
Sky_Dragon
22-10-08, 17:44
Id say so actually. As I have not done a formal peice of coursework where I am allowed to do it via pen and paper. Everything has to be typed.
DarthTrethon
22-10-08, 19:29
Computers are definately as vital as paper and pen to you TZM..
The Possessed
22-10-08, 19:44
When I got a computer in 99 the Internet was just picking up then. I also got a computer with the idea of schoolwork and such. I quite quickly got more involved with having what I call an online life.
I believe that computers are useful for keeping records and researching, but I dont think they should be held as needed since it kind of stops us remembering how to use other recources and skills to solve problems or keep records of things. As handy as they are, they are still just a tool to aid. Not a necessity and its a shame to me that they are becomming so vital because the more we get involved with it, the more an older way of living dies out.
thezombiemessia
22-10-08, 19:50
I think Computers and the Internet should be used in balance with Books, Libraries, etc.
Schools need to start teaching children the merits of both. I love books and Libraries, and am thankful that I learnt how to use them correctly at an early age...but Ive discovered that at University there are people that have never stepped into a library, or used one before...
Which is incredibly disheartening considering Im on a journalism course...
The Possessed
22-10-08, 20:05
I think Computers and the Internet should be used in balance with Books, Libraries, etc.
Schools need to start teaching children the merits of both. I love books and Libraries, and am thankful that I learnt how to use them correctly at an early age...but Ive discovered that at University there are people that have never stepped into a library, or used one before...
Which is incredibly disheartening considering Im on a journalism course...
I used to love libraries, I worked in one for work experience in school. I rate learning from books greater than reading articles from the Internet, I tend to fine the wiser subjects like philosophy, spiritualism, etc that much more engaing and inspiring when read from a book.
I havent steeped in a library myself for a few years which is strange considering what a bookworm I used to be. I keep buying books on whims instead nowadays which I need to stop, Id be much wiser just borrowing one from the library >_<
thezombiemessia
22-10-08, 20:19
I spent the better part of 2 years working in Library several years back, so its kind of obvious that I like books.
But I dont agree on everything you say. For instance, many young and unknown philosophers dont have books or full books of their own available to buy...and it is often easier to find their collected work on the internet.
Yes, the internet is unreliable...but so are books. Books may go through an editing process, but this doesnt make them correct. Thousands of books have been printed with errors. Thousands of books are printed off every day that tell lies on purpose and aim to isguide the reader.
The internet is almost the same as books...it just isnt as vigorously edited. However, the internet offers up the chance of finding several websites with the information on, to compare the pieces...whilst a Library will often limit the number of books you have access to, and a book shop gets costly to do such research.
As I say, a fine balance is needed for education...
The Possessed
22-10-08, 20:24
Well I meant more that I just prefer reading things in book form really but I didnt explain that at all in reflection.
I was expressing my own personal view on preference of books to Internet for information in my viewpoint. I didnt mean that as a general view on how everyone sees it, nor was I saying that people could not come across interesting work on the Internet. Im going to make my post look lame now and make me think I shouldnt have posted anything...
I like books, I liked libraries and I favour reading on subjects from books to the net.
thezombiemessia
22-10-08, 20:35
Apologies. I gathered that you were mostly saying it from a personal view, I was just backing up the other side of the wall at the same time. ^_^
back in the day i remember having to change the hamster in our schools computers.
I was in my 2nd year junior school when they intorduced the first computers.
They were BBC computers and a Apple somthing or other.
The Possessed
22-10-08, 20:41
Apologies. I gathered that you were mostly saying it from a personal view, I was just backing up the other side of the wall at the same time. ^_^
Youll have to excuse me Im getting far too sensitive lately:dead:
Hey Spike whats a PC hamster
thezombiemessia
22-10-08, 20:43
Spike was joking (i hope) about having a Computer that was powered by a Hamster in a wheel.
I remember getting the BBC computers...with the floppy discs the size of my head, and the black screen with green writing. Good times.
Apologies. I gathered that you were mostly saying it from a personal view, I was just backing up the other side of the wall at the same time. ^_^
Youll have to excuse me Im getting far too sensitive lately:dead:
Hey Spike whats a PC hamster
it s only joke.
hamster on wheell = power to run the computer
The Possessed
22-10-08, 20:48
it s only joke.
hamster on wheell = power to run the computer
*Bows head in shame*
ManiacFather
23-10-08, 08:31
Back in my school years there wasnt a wikipedia I dont think........And my internet was rubbish so I had to use my books!
Wikipedia is not a professional source, specially for subjects such as philosophy, history, politics, everything.
I bought my pc in 2000, at first i did not use my pc, i abused it. Downloading porn and watching them, thats shameful i know. That was my business for about 3 months. But im not the only one to blame, those who produce and upload such destructive, humiliating and antihuman materials are the evil ones.
After that,i got interested in graphics and started to learn photoshop...| Ok thats it.
There are billions of books about everything we need to know, so yes, libraries and bookshops are more resourceful than internet.
Back in my school years there wasnt a wikipedia I dont think........And my internet was rubbish so I had to use my books!
Wikipedia is not a professional source, specially for subjects such as philosophy, history, politics, everything.
No encyclopedia is an professional source, each, including wiki, are only as reliable as the user is willing to research; something the common user cant seem to be bothered doing with the usual proclamations of lol on wiki you can write anything. No ****. Its up to the user to check the damn sourced statements, just like in a real professional source (lol) encyclopedia.
But im not the only one to blame, those who produce and upload such destructive, humiliating and antihuman materials are the evil ones.
You heard it here first.
ManiacFather
23-10-08, 09:38
Back in my school years there wasnt a wikipedia I dont think........And my internet was rubbish so I had to use my books!
Wikipedia is not a professional source[...]
Youre damn right.
But im not the only one to blame, those who produce and upload such destructive, humiliating and antihuman materials are the evil ones.
You heard it here first.[/quote]
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ManiacFather
23-10-08, 09:42
Back in my school years there wasnt a wikipedia I dont think........And my internet was rubbish so I had to use my books!
Wikipedia is not a professional source, specially for subjects such as philosophy, history, politics, everything.
No encyclopedia is an professional source, each, including wiki, are only as reliable as the user is willing to research; [...]
But im not the only one to blame, those who produce and upload such destructive, humiliating and antihuman materials are the evil ones.
You heard it here first.
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ManiacFather
23-10-08, 09:43
Back in my school years there wasnt a wikipedia I dont think........And my internet was rubbish so I had to use my books!
Wikipedia is not a professional source, specially for subjects such as philosophy, history, politics, everything.
No encyclopedia is an professional source, each, including wiki, are only as reliable as the user is willing to research; [...]
Youre damn right.
But im not the only one to blame, those who produce and upload such destructive, humiliating and antihuman materials are the evil ones.
You heard it here first.
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thezombiemessia
23-10-08, 15:23
Back in my school years there wasnt a wikipedia I dont think........And my internet was rubbish so I had to use my books!
Wikipedia is not a professional source, specially for subjects such as philosophy, history, politics, everything.
I bought my pc in 2000, at first i did not use my pc, i abused it. Downloading porn and watching them, thats shameful i know. That was my business for about 3 months. But im not the only one to blame, those who produce and upload such destructive, humiliating and antihuman materials are the evil ones.
After that,i got interested in graphics and started to learn photoshop...| Ok thats it.
There are billions of books about everything we need to know, so yes, libraries and bookshops are more resourceful than internet.
I have to say that you tend to find the Wikipedia articles on the sciences and arts to be more professional than any other article...they often have much more citation and deeper research and are just as reliable as any other resource other than a Primary source.
As for the library staement, I have to repeat myself with the fact that a Library cannot and will not contain everything.
An equal balance or combination of the both is the only true way to sustain a healthy study environment.