Retire Mario

[thezombiemessia]

http://tech.uk.msn.com/gaming/articl...mentid=9277714


Interesting article, and i think the guy has a fair point...

[Dante2014]

Broken link, looks like its been compressed for another forum and copied by mistake.:dead:

[Ryuu's_Ghost]

Leave our cash cow alone please.

I doubt that will happen any time soon, Id rather Pikachu bought it 1st.

[Urya]

As long as Nintendos releasing innovative titles that leave both casual and hardcore gamers amazed, I dont mind him being there. I mean, its not like theyre brainlessly pumping out games like theyre doing with Sonic.

[BTHR Zero X]

As long as Nintendos releasing innovative titles that leave both casual and hardcore gamers amazed, I dont mind him being there. I mean, its not like theyre brainlessly pumping out games like theyre doing with Sonic. QFT im mean the Mario game always follow the same type of field even since the NES but when it comes to sega and sonic yeah lets ad a new hedgehow and make him black. then add another hedgehog and give him psycic powers. then lets make sonic turn in to a ware-beast then well give him a sword and the black hedgehog guns come on sega stop killing sonic

[Sky_Dragon]

Sounds fun to me. Mario is still Nintendos flagship character. And personally I dont mind the lil guy. Just as long as they dont make another movie I wll be happy.

[thezombiemessia]

I mean, its not like theyre brainlessly pumping out games like theyre doing with Sonic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mario_games

[Ryuu's_Ghost]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mario_games
Most of those games were good, unlike the sonic spin-offs SEGA spammed.

[seth ranson]

I find Mario rather annoying. I just can t stand his voice for some reason. That doesn t keep me from playing the good games though.

TZM, that link still doesn t work, could you fix it?

[Spike 74]

did not realise Mario was in so many games lol

More than 80 since 2000 alone

[thezombiemessia]

TZM, that link still doesn t work, could you fix it?

I tried to follow the link myself, and it didnt work...and i cant find the article anymore. Sorry.

did not realise Mario was in so many games lol

More than 80 since 2000 alone

If you think about it, the only proper Mario games (within the past 3 console generations) are Mario 64, Sunshine and Galaxy. Thats 3 games for 3 consoles. The rest are party games, sports games, racing games, etc, etc.


Most of those games were good, unlike the sonic spin-offs SEGA spammed.

That is all a matter of opinion. Nintendo are still flooding each generation with hundreds of pointless Mario games. Read my above reply to Spike.

Even if Nintendo didnt retire Mario, they should still maybe start focusing on something else. Perhaps create new IPs, or open up the sport and party games to other nintendo franchises, rather than just Mario, etc.

[seth ranson]

If you think about it, the only proper Mario games (within the past 3 console generations) are Mario 64, Sunshine and Galaxy. Thats 3 games for 3 consoles. The rest are party games, sports games, racing games, etc, etc.
That s quite right, but I d add the RPGs like Mario&Luigi in the list of proper Mario games.


Even if Nintendo didnt retire Mario, they should still maybe start focusing on something else. Perhaps create new IPs, or open up the sport and party games to other nintendo franchises, rather than just Mario, etc.
I think there was a rumor that Nintendo will make an all new character, but I guess that was just a rumor...

[Madam:I]

They simply dont make Mario games like they used to, which is a shame. I feel that Mario and the magnetism of the franchise were a lot stronger back in the 2D days. Then from Mario 64, my respect for the game has been gradually slipping and Im not too keen on the surfeit of sport games tied to the series either. For me, there should be more emphasis on its platform angle rather than sporty one.

[seth ranson]

2D > 3D
That s not a Mario-exclusive thing in my opinion.

[Sky_Dragon]

Sonic lost something going 3d too. The only problem is how do you kill off a guy like Mario? Turtling accident? Getting stuck in a blocked pipe? Choking on spagetti?

[Triple Seven]

Depends on what kind of VG one wants. For the typical Nintendo game Mario is as good as, perhaps better, than most other characters. Games with more depth as far as story, story-telling and characters are concerned (cinematic games) have traditionally not been a strength of Nintendo. 2nd (Eternal Darkness, Resident Evil, Project Zero) or, in some cases, third party developers have been doing that for them. Even back in the days of the SNES, 2D RPGs - the only cinematic games (bar the presentation, perhaps) - werent produced by them. With all the arcade (inspired) games nobody came to noticed what the Mario games lack.
So, lets forget about Mario. The more problematic - and in my opinion relevant - question is where the Zelda series is supposed to go from here.

[thezombiemessia]

Apparently Twilight Princess was the last Zelda of its kind...so hopefully the next Zelda game will be different from previous installments.


I feel that with this article, rather than retiring Mario completely, they should just open up the games to the whole Nintendo enterprise...like SSB, but with different titles.

But as for everything else, Nintendo should maybe come up with some new characters...or at least start re-inventing some of their older characters...

[Triple Seven]

But as for everything else, Nintendo should maybe come up with some new characters...or at least start re-inventing some of their older characters...

How, and what for?

[thezombiemessia]

How do you mean?

How can they come up with a new character?

To be perfectly honest, this is why im not a multi-million-dollar games company...it is up to Nintendo to come up with the ideas for new characters that can re-invent their company, not me.

We know they can do it, or at least get other people to do it for them. The re-invented Metroid reasonably well. They re-invented Mario with Mario 64, etc, etc, etc.


Im sure they could easily get some of their older, less used, but still popular characters and remake them. Or they could come up with some new characters or games...rather than just rehashing the same things.

Near enough every Zelda game has been the same since Ocarina of Time, same goes for the Mario games (main mario games). And other than that, Nintendo keep on shovelling out party games, racing games, etc...with very little difference bar the number on the box.

[Ryuu's_Ghost]

Maybe reinventing the Mario game style would work better. I honestly think even if they did a new character for their platforming games there would be no real change.

@ 777 I wholeheartedly agree with you on the Zelda problem the big N needs to fix it fast.

[The Spirit]

Well 1st of all here is the proper link

http://tech.uk.msn.com/gaming/article.aspx?cp-documentid=9277714

& second of all its isnt even worth reading. Its because the guy who wrote it keeps bouncing on stuff & doesnt even give even one single good reason that why should the Mario retire. The whole article which is completely brainless, jumps on like this, I love the mario but I think hes too old, I like this stuff about mario but I think hes too old, thats how the whole article can be summed up.

Now dont get me mixed up that I like Mario very much, Ive only played Super Mario bros & the I thought it was decent. Not every information is worth seeing, seems like today every editor just writes the very 1st thought that comes into his/her mind without even giving it a second thought.

A further example of a the article will be, I dont like grandmas cookies because shes too old Allright we get it the Mario is a very old character but if you dont like his games (cookies) there is a mjority who still likes them.

He said that the Mickey mouse doent even star in his own movies, apparently the author had his eyes glued to the Mickey Mouse Clubhouse

Mickeys Treat (2007)
Mickeys Great Clubhouse Hunt (2007)
Mickey Saves Santa and Other Mouseketales (2006)
Mickeys Twice Upon a Christmas (2004)
Mickey, Donald, Goofy: The Three Musketeers (2004)

As you can see that his facts & theories are pretty much a fiacso & the only thing left, which I think he accomplished in is getting attention. Thats a perfect example that shows not everything is worth your attention.

P.S The same guy wrote this article too http://tech.uk.msn.com/features/article.aspx?cp-documentid=6701365

[Triple Seven]

How do you mean?

How can they come up with a new character?

To be perfectly honest, this is why im not a multi-million-dollar games company...it is up to Nintendo to come up with the ideas for new characters that can re-invent their company, not me.

We know they can do it, or at least get other people to do it for them. The re-invented Metroid reasonably well. They re-invented Mario with Mario 64, etc, etc, etc.


Im sure they could easily get some of their older, less used, but still popular characters and remake them. Or they could come up with some new characters or games...rather than just rehashing the same things.

Near enough every Zelda game has been the same since Ocarina of Time, same goes for the Mario games (main mario games). And other than that, Nintendo keep on shovelling out party games, racing games, etc...with very little difference bar the number on the box.

What youve mention is the re-invention/change of gameplay. How - and in which way - are they supposed to re-invent their (old) characters - and why should they do that?


P.S.:

It seems you dont understand that article, The Spirit. Its not about Mario being too old, which the author even (partially) explains. The reason is a different one, read this passage again:


In short: because hes in danger of becoming so ubiquitous that hell become taken for granted - or worse, considered pass‚. Mario is linked so heavily with some of the most powerfully iconic games of all time that he is already rightly regarded as the face of gaming, but wouldnt it be terrible if his almost uncountable cameos in Nintendo games started to eat away at that impact?

I for one would be disgusted if the next generation of gamers didnt remember Mario for his pioneering turn in Mario 64, for instance, or as the hero of Donkey Kong but merely thought of him as one of the funny cartoon men on Super Smash Bros part 18 or one of the unlockable characters on the latest Nintendo driving game.

And the time is ripe. The Wii was the first console that didnt have a Mario game as the headline act. Galaxy was a wonderful game and deserving of praise but if you had to pick out the title that made the Wii such a roaring success it would almost certainly be Wii Sports.

[The Spirit]

Triple Seven, please read the title of this topic again, on the other hand let me put it for you Retire Mario & then read the whole article that I provided in the link let me again put this for you Gaming Goss: why Mario should retire & then read my message.

Apparently you got it wrong (no surprises there), What I wrote is what the author actually trying to say. You quoted a very unnecassy text from the article, the part you quoted is talking about that cameos is hurting Marios image?

Apparently what your talking about is irrelevant, people dont make titels of what they dont want to write, you cant name a book Harry Potter if all you wanna talk about is Ron & Hermione.

Its simple, apparently you got it all twisted up.

[Triple Seven]

Triple Seven, please read the title of this topic again, on the other hand let me put it for you Retire Mario & then read the whole article that I provided in the link let me again put this for you Gaming Goss: why Mario should retire & then read my message.

Apparently you got it wrong (no surprises there), What I wrote is what the author actually trying to say. You quoted a very unnecassy text from the article, the part you quoted is talking about that cameos is hurting Marios image?

Apparently what your talking about is irrelevant, people dont make titels of what they dont want to write, you cant name a book Harry Potter if all you wanna talk about is Ron & Hermione.

Its simple, apparently you got it all twisted up.


Heres a part of what you wrote.

[The article] isnt even worth reading. Its because the guy who wrote it keeps bouncing on stuff & doesnt even give even one single good reason that why should the Mario retire. The whole article which is completely brainless, jumps on like this, I love the mario but I think hes too old, I like this stuff about mario but I think hes too old, thats how the whole article can be summed up.

(...)

As you can see that his facts & theories are pretty much a fiacso & the only thing left, which I think he accomplished in is getting attention. Thats a perfect example that shows not everything is worth your attention.

He gave a good reason, at any rate one worth considering. As such the article isnt brainless nor are his facts and theories a fiasco. Marios age is relatively irrelevant. Its not the point of this article. The author hasnt stated that Mario is too old, definately not repeatedly. The part of his article I quoted serves to illustrate most, in my opinion, all of that.

You failed to prove me wrong and - since I know how you act under such circumstances - this was your only chance. If you want to complain, take it to an administrator. Do not reply to this post. Should you reply your post will be deleted. You will also be warned. Im tired of having this exact kind of situation with you and willing to see it through tot the end. Which means that, if you dont stop, you will eventually be banned - or, if Im wrong, I will not be a moderator for much longer.

[The Spirit]

So let me get this straight, I corrected you that you ignored the fact that were talking about Marios retirement

I wrote isnt even worth reading. Its because the guy who wrote it keeps bouncing on stuff & doesnt even give even one single good reason that why should the Mario retire

Im writing he doesnt even given a single good reason why should he retire.

You paste

In short: because hes in danger of becoming so ubiquitous that hell become taken for granted - or worse, considered pass‚. Mario is linked so heavily with some of the most powerfully iconic games of all time that he is already rightly regarded as the face of gaming, but wouldnt it be terrible if his almost uncountable cameos in Nintendo games started to eat away at that impact?

Cameos hurting Marios image? Whats the connection between what im talking about & what your talking about.

I gave you an example, a title gives you a bit summary of what are you about to expect from this article. Now seriosuly im making a good point here & doing it in a reasonable & debatable way.

I said something thats right you dont have to push around & say im the mod, Ill do this if you try to reply me back.

Try to correct me by giving me facts that are related & then maybe Il think about it, but seriously that was a nobrainer Triple Seven.

[The Spirit]

So let me get this straight, I corrected you that you ignored the fact that were talking about Marios retirement

I wrote isnt even worth reading. Its because the guy who wrote it keeps bouncing on stuff & doesnt even give even one single good reason that why should the Mario retire

Im writing he doesnt even given a single good reason why should he retire.

You paste

In short: because hes in danger of becoming so ubiquitous that hell become taken for granted - or worse, considered pass‚. Mario is linked so heavily with some of the most powerfully iconic games of all time that he is already rightly regarded as the face of gaming, but wouldnt it be terrible if his almost uncountable cameos in Nintendo games started to eat away at that impact?

Cameos hurting Marios image? Whats the connection between what im talking about & what your talking about.

I gave you an example, a title gives you a bit summary of what are you about to expect from this article. Now seriosuly im making a good point here & doing it in a reasonable & debatable way.

I said something thats right you dont have to push around & say im the mod, Ill do this if you try to reply me back.

Try to correct me by giving me facts that are related & then maybe Il think about it, but seriously that was a nobrainer Triple Seven.

[The Spirit]

So let me get this straight, I corrected you that you ignored the fact that were talking about Marios retirement

I wrote isnt even worth reading. Its because the guy who wrote it keeps bouncing on stuff & doesnt even give even one single good reason that why should the Mario retire

Im writing he doesnt even given a single good reason why should he retire.

You paste

In short: because hes in danger of becoming so ubiquitous that hell become taken for granted - or worse, considered pass‚. Mario is linked so heavily with some of the most powerfully iconic games of all time that he is already rightly regarded as the face of gaming, but wouldnt it be terrible if his almost uncountable cameos in Nintendo games started to eat away at that impact?

Cameos hurting Marios image? Whats the connection between what im talking about & what your talking about.

I gave you an example, a title gives you a bit summary of what are you about to expect from this article. Now seriosuly im making a good point here & doing it in a reasonable & debatable way.

I said something thats right you dont have to push around & say im the mod, Ill do this if you try to reply me back.

Try to correct me by giving me facts that are related & then maybe Il think about it, but seriously that was a nobrainer Triple Seven.

[The Spirit]

So let me get this straight, I corrected you that you ignored the fact that were talking about Marios retirement

I wrote isnt even worth reading. Its because the guy who wrote it keeps bouncing on stuff & doesnt even give even one single good reason that why should the Mario retire

Im writing he doesnt even given a single good reason why should he retire.

You paste

In short: because hes in danger of becoming so ubiquitous that hell become taken for granted - or worse, considered pass‚. Mario is linked so heavily with some of the most powerfully iconic games of all time that he is already rightly regarded as the face of gaming, but wouldnt it be terrible if his almost uncountable cameos in Nintendo games started to eat away at that impact?

Cameos hurting Marios image? Whats the connection between what im talking about & what your talking about.

I gave you an example, a title gives you a bit summary of what are you about to expect from this article. Now seriosuly im making a good point here & doing it in a reasonable & debatable way.

I said something thats right you dont have to push around & say im the mod, Ill do this if you try to reply me back.

Try to correct me by giving me facts that are related & then maybe Il think about it, but seriously that was a nobrainer Triple Seven.

[The Spirit]

So let me get this straight, I corrected you that you ignored the fact that were talking about Marios retirement

I wrote isnt even worth reading. Its because the guy who wrote it keeps bouncing on stuff & doesnt even give even one single good reason that why should the Mario retire

Im writing he doesnt even given a single good reason why should he retire.

You paste

In short: because hes in danger of becoming so ubiquitous that hell become taken for granted - or worse, considered pass‚. Mario is linked so heavily with some of the most powerfully iconic games of all time that he is already rightly regarded as the face of gaming, but wouldnt it be terrible if his almost uncountable cameos in Nintendo games started to eat away at that impact?

Cameos hurting Marios image? Whats the connection between what im talking about & what your talking about.

I gave you an example, a title gives you a bit summary of what are you about to expect from this article. Now seriosuly im making a good point here & doing it in a reasonable & debatable way.

I said something thats right you dont have to push around & say im the mod, Ill do this if you try to reply me back.

Try to correct me by giving me facts that are related & then maybe Il think about it, but seriously that was a nobrainer Triple Seven.

[The Spirit]

So let me get this straight, I corrected you that you ignored the fact that were talking about Marios retirement

I wrote isnt even worth reading. Its because the guy who wrote it keeps bouncing on stuff & doesnt even give even one single good reason that why should the Mario retire

Im writing he doesnt even given a single good reason why should he retire.

You paste

In short: because hes in danger of becoming so ubiquitous that hell become taken for granted - or worse, considered pass‚. Mario is linked so heavily with some of the most powerfully iconic games of all time that he is already rightly regarded as the face of gaming, but wouldnt it be terrible if his almost uncountable cameos in Nintendo games started to eat away at that impact?

Cameos hurting Marios image? Whats the connection between what im talking about & what your talking about.

I gave you an example, a title gives you a bit summary of what are you about to expect from this article. Now seriosuly im making a good point here & doing it in a reasonable & debatable way.

I said something thats right you dont have to push around & say im the mod, Ill do this if you try to reply me back.

Try to correct me by giving me facts that are related & then maybe Il think about it, but seriously that was a nobrainer Triple Seven.

[The Spirit]

So let me get this straight, I corrected you that you ignored the fact that were talking about Marios retirement

I wrote isnt even worth reading. Its because the guy who wrote it keeps bouncing on stuff & doesnt even give even one single good reason that why should the Mario retire

Im writing he doesnt even given a single good reason why should he retire.

You paste

In short: because hes in danger of becoming so ubiquitous that hell become taken for granted - or worse, considered pass‚. Mario is linked so heavily with some of the most powerfully iconic games of all time that he is already rightly regarded as the face of gaming, but wouldnt it be terrible if his almost uncountable cameos in Nintendo games started to eat away at that impact?

Cameos hurting Marios image? Whats the connection between what im talking about & what your talking about.

I gave you an example, a title gives you a bit summary of what are you about to expect from this article. Now seriosuly im making a good point here & doing it in a reasonable & debatable way.

I said something thats right you dont have to push around & say im the mod, Ill do this if you try to reply me back.

Try to correct me by giving me facts that are related & then maybe Il think about it, but seriously that was a nobrainer Triple Seven.

[seth ranson]

You are in a really bad mood.

777 is actually right. The author keeps bouncing on stuff though, the real arguments (wether they are good or not depends on the reader) begin after Too much of a good thing?. Until then he keeps saying that Mario is great, probably because he wants to prevent people from hating him. Looks like it doesn t work.

(btw: The Spirit: if you really didn t reply your position would be a lot better than now)

edit:
About the Mickey Mouse thing: These are no real big movies, are they?

[The Spirit]

Well, the bouncing stuff though is what I wrote not him.

Mickey Mouse, depends on which big movies are you talking about seth? The movies I pasted above are actually full-lengthed Mickey Mouse adventures?

[seth ranson]

Well, the bouncing stuff though is what I wrote not him.
I know, that s why you would have been in quite a nice spot when you wouldn t have replied this angry.
777 is right, because you did get it wrong. The thing you wrote about the author only repeating useless stuff and having no arguments, you know?
edit: The author didn t write that Mario should retire, because he s too old, he gave other reasons. In the paragraph 777 quoted for example. That s why he quoted it by the way.

Mickey Mouse stuff:
I was talking about Disneys big movies. As well as the author did by the way.

[The Spirit]

The fact that he is ignoring is that what are we talking about is the retirement of Mario, that why he should retire? As I said in my previous posts that the author doesnt even make a single good point that why the Mario should retire?

Furthermore Triple copied a text from the article pasting it in here.

Now picture this:

The Spirit is saying: The author doesnt given one single good explanation that why the Mario should retire.

Triple pastes & is saying: That the Cameo of Mario in other games in hurting his value. To be perfectly honest, that isnt a good enough reason that the Mario should retire? Or do you think that its a good enough reason that the Mario should retire because his cameo appearances in other games.

Now on a sidenote Triples original message wasnt directed at me. When he saw that Ive pasted something there he went back re-edited his original post & directed a message towards me in a provoking way. Which I later explained that is wrong, hence knowing the fact he doesnt have much to say, he threatened if you bother to reply, Ill give you warnings & ban you.

Now seriously its just being stubborn & by knowing him this isnt the first time that he went ballistick when someone tried to correct him.

[Trousevil]

Even though I dislike mario games I have no problem if it keep releasing mario games until forever, whover like it may take it but I personally will not :)

[The Spirit]

Now after reading all this, you guys are trying to tell me that I read the article wrong & you guys read it right? http://boards.msn.com/UK_Tech_Gadgetsboards/thread.aspx?boardid=1312&ThreadID=760341&BoardsParam=HIPDelay%3d1

capt_blackMessage #117
26/08/08 06:03 PM Can anyone actually tell me what the point in this article is? let me get this straight. Your saying mario should be retired because future kids wont remember him?? ffs we best stop all gaming completely in case kids dont remember pong then. This is the best example of lazy journalism i have seen in a long long time just to try and get a reaction.
I have no problem with anyone saying mario should be written off,even though mario 3 is still my fave game ever but please at least come up with a real reason. i have wasted 10 mins of my life when i could be playing mario as i thought this could be interesting. You Sir are an arse and a disgrace to your proffesion.Go write for the sport!

Labour out 2010Message #20
26/08/08 01:21 PM Im no fanboy and rarely play games these days (lack of time not will), but clearly this guy needs his head examined. If his only concern is of Mario becoming passe, old-hat, etc... then why hasnt it happened so far in the nearly 30 years or so of him being around? Why this magical year that people will suddenly get sick of him?



After the relative failure of the Gamecube, Nintendo are now back to form with the Wii, and if anything, MORE Mario games would make sense, so roll on Galaxy 2 I say. Chances are that the poster is nothing more than an after-pub gamer who regards Wipeout as the very zenith of 90s games, and something equally dull like GTA4 to be the 21st century equivalent. It would make more sense putting tired rubbish like Halo and Tekken/Soul Calibre to bed first.

ACM88Message #31
26/08/08 01:51 PM What a pointless thread, you are fighting a losing battle. Who hires these columnists?

Spiderman 3 8 out of10 Spidey4 anybodyMessage #34
26/08/08 02:08 PM Man whoever wrote this clearly doesnt have a clue what they are doing. It is true that Mario may retire sometime but not for many years yet. The guy hasnt failed to make a good game (although I am more a fan of the side scroller ones I still love the newer ones especially 64).

I also wonder who might take up the mantle but it will be a big order to fill I say. It could be Link but I dont know about Sonic because doesnt he belong to Sega?

I also happened to notice that the guy was in for Microsoft can anyone say Biased.

PorochazMessage #41
26/08/08 02:26 PM Right, Im going to disagree with the columnist completely because he seems to have forgotten in his report about the people who didnt buy the Wii for the family friendly games and actually want to play games with a little depth and dont want to leave Link, Samus or Mario behind.

meh86Message #72
26/08/08 03:30 PM as far as shi!tty articles go that really takes the cake.

maizefarmerMessage #87
26/08/08 04:04 PM What a genious this idiot is, lol. Hey, while were at it, lets just retire everyone. Almost every single mascot is overused. Lets not just pick on Mario. And besides in this business its not what youve done for me yesterday but what youve done for me lately. Thats why Mario wont retire folks. Hes an innovator. So the moron who wanted shock value by writing this can just accept that Mario wont retire. Deal with it or pick another game to play.

capt_blackMessage #117
26/08/08 06:03 PM Can anyone actually tell me what the point in this article is? let me get this straight. Your saying mario should be retired because future kids wont remember him?? ffs we best stop all gaming completely in case kids dont remember pong then. This is the best example of lazy journalism i have seen in a long long time just to try and get a reaction.
I have no problem with anyone saying mario should be written off,even though mario 3 is still my fave game ever but please at least come up with a real reason. i have wasted 10 mins of my life when i could be playing mario as i thought this could be interesting. You Sir are an arse and a disgrace to your proffesion.Go write for the sport!

AltrumMessage #128
26/08/08 08:30 PM what utter garbage!!! Mario has been and always will be iconic for generations to come. Mario got me into gaming and my kids alike! Mario has advanced the format of platform games in leaps and bounds! every evolution of Mario has opened eyes across the world to the new potential of platform games, Take super paper Mario on the Wii, the combination of both 2 dimentional and 3 dimentional gaming is a marvel in its own right and took the games to new levels of enjoyment!

Back off geek and leave Mario the hell alone!!!!!!
DringoMessage #134
26/08/08 10:26 PM I would love to criticise this article for its almost lack of substance, real argument and inaccuracies (the Wii isnt the first Nintendo console to launch without a Mario title, the GameCube was... and Super Paper Mario is a Wii game).



But the fact is Mario has helped make some truly spectacular titles sell. Hes a character who can turn an excellent niche title into an excellent mainstream release. Take Paper Mario. A superb little gem, that would never have survived the N64 era if it wasnt for the face of Mario selling the game. And the same goes for Super Mario Galaxy. That game could have featured anybody... and it probably would have failed.



The fact is if you have a face that sells, a marketing tool so to speak, then use it to promote and sell a title that would other wise have been forgotten. Capcoms Okami is one of the greatest games ever made, but it failed commercially. However, if the game was called Zelda it would have sold by the bucket load.



Mario maybe over used, but as long as he still represents quality (most of the time) then there will always be a place for him in the gaming landscape.

Angry luigiMessage #141
26/08/08 11:09 PM Patrick goss you re a nutter!! you only suggest Mario should retire because he is a legend and you are a fool! you are just trieing to make a name for yourself off the back of a true gaming hero!
John54321Message #144
27/08/08 12:46 AM I think the author of that article should kiss mario`s arse. How can u talk about king mario like that, MARIO IS NINTENDO, he owns them. That guy is jealous bcos mario is better looking, more popular and more flexible than him hahah

Lance WestMessage #145
27/08/08 12:58 AM A very poor, flawed article which shows the composer to have very little knowledge of Nintendo, their characters and their games. One should do more research before compiling an article of such importance.



Mario forever; though Nintendo could do with a few more new IPs.

i am not ben rouseMessage #158
29/08/08 04:35 AM Whoever wrote this article sounds as if they havent even played the games. Plus, there is no Super Paper Mario on the DS, which makes this article sound like it was written by an inexperienced gamer.

Hugh-ManMessage #161
29/08/08 09:40 AM Rediculous article, rediculous suggestion. If Mario doesnt appear in anymore games, can you imagine telling your grand-kids in 40 years time... I remember when Mario was in 2D?

Theyd say, Who the hells Mario? and thatd be the end of that. Hardly a Legacy deserved of the best gaming icon of all time... whoops, I forgot about PacMan! Why? Cos they dont make PacMan games anymore and pretty soon nobody will remember him either!

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Now after reading all this, you guys are trying to tell me that I read the article wrong & you guys read it right?

[removed the exact copy of the very text above; 777]

[thezombiemessia]

The_Spirit, i have to ask...have you heard of an opinion?

I actually agree with the article and find it to be well written...and if you read through this topic before you replied, you may have noticed that several other members agreed with the article.

Maybe not with the whole article, but certainly with parts of it.

Im not going to try and say that you read the article wrong, you probably read it and understood it in your own way...much as anybody reading something would...but you are now filling the thread with mass amounts of useless information trying to force your opinion on everybody else.

And as a side note, whether or not 777 edited his post to make a segment of it aimed at yourself (which is within his rights, this is why the edit button exists after all), he was right.

The writer comes up with several good reasons as to why HE thinks Mario should be retired...you may not agree with those reasons, but he gave reasons.

The reasons were good, i agree with them, and have found many others online and outside of the internet that also agree with them.

[Triple Seven]

Please (generally) dont quote a wall of text, when theres little benefit to it.

Comments such as What a pointless thread, you are fighting a losing battle. Who hires these columnists? and PM as far as shi!tty articles go that really takes the cake. dont add anything relevant to this topic. I suggest to select a variety of meaningful and diverse quotes that serve to strenghten your argument(s). If you want to give people an idea of the range of comments please just post a link to the comments section in question.

[Ryuu's_Ghost]

I think that the real problem is Mario is in too many irrelevant games if nintendo just kept him to Brawl, Mario Kart and his own platformers there wouldnt be a real problem with overexpostion to the character which I think the author was trying to point out.

[Tenebra]

The Spirit, could you please be less antagonising? This place should be for civilised conversations, not a battlefield with winners and losers.

[Triple Seven]

I think that the real problem is Mario is in too many irrelevant games if nintendo just kept him to Brawl, Mario Kart and his own platformers there wouldnt be a real problem with overexpostion to the character which I think the author was trying to point out.

Same here.


P.S.:

To prevent further misunderstandings:

(to) retire:

v.intr.
1. To withdraw, as for rest or seclusion.
2. To go to bed.
3. To withdraw from ones occupation, business, or office; stop working.
4. To fall back or retreat, as from battle.
5. To move back or away; recede.

http://www.answers.com/retire


Even a 27 year old person can retire. A persons age as such is irrelevant.

[Viper]

To be honest, most of nintendos franchises get on my nerves.

Mario and zelda (link) mainly! I loved mariokart. But I will kill someone if they release another blinking mario party game!