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Ive recently seen a surge of posts insisting that various games should be put on Wii, what I want to know is, why?
Dont get me wrong, im a Wii owner myself and I do enjoy using motion controls for games, but I cant understand why such controls should be applied multi-format games which utilise the average control pad just as well, and whats more is that some games (im looking at you, Resident Evil 5) havent been released yet, so its impossible to judge wether or not a Wii version would actually be better.
Surely it would be better to have unique games that exclusively make complete use of Wii functionality rather than limiting them to set actions, which evidently can be done in button presses on a regular controllers, The controls are better is something I hear often, but take in to account that the other consoles have the power to provide a deeper experience, the added realism and functionality can be used for a better experience than trying to shove it down the Wiis disc slot and hoping it would work purely because of the controls, A Wii game that is designed for play rather than emulating the visuals and mechanics of other consoles would surely be a better experience, right?
Now, ive been careful, lets not make this in to a console war, im not saying the Wii sucks im simply asking why games should be converted to Wii.
I think people had seen how well Resi 4 had been on the Wii and how good it was so are wanting Resi 5
But what they have to remeber is
Resi 4 had been on ps2 and gamecube beforhand but the Wii is more powerfull than the ps2 & GC and has very simular acrhitechture (spelling?) to the gamecube so the game was not that hard to port over, now the control system was proberly the hardest to do.
So in essence Resi 4 was transferd to a more powerfull console granterd the wii does not come close to the power of the ps3 & 360
Resi 5 on ps3 and 360 are much more powerfull so IF Resi 5 was to goto the Wii it would be more difficult as unlike the wii version of Resi 4 which came from console with less power it is the opersit way round with Resi 5 so Im not saying its impossible but much harder to do.
If Resi 5 did come to the Wii cuts in the game would have to be made but the main problem is how do you make up for those cuts differences, and if done would Wii gamers complain about a waterd down version.
thezombiemessia
23-08-08, 18:43
I think the extra reason is that most people that ask for this often only have a Wii.
It is the cheapest on the market, and is thus the widely owned console. After this, people are looking to Nintendo and finding little support...so now they are looking to their favorite games publishers/developers and hoping that they will release their favorite games on the console.
When people can only afford one console, they tend to wish and hope for their favorite games or developers to do things with that console...and will often delude themselves with reasons as to why it can come to that console.
And before anybody says anything,im not trying to start a war...i even have a Wii for myself.
Good point, I had considered the cost and wider availability, I just thought it would make sense to want games unique for Wii rather than insisting every other game gets a Wii release, but then again, its harder to imagine what could be rather than what is.
And ive noticed the common delusion of people thinking that downscaling the graphics would make it possible, there is much more to it than that.
Well, regarding the opening question, the answer is simple: The Wii is my system of choice for this generation, so I want any interesting game to be available there as well, simple as that :)
And ive noticed the common delusion of people thinking that downscaling the graphics would make it possible, there is much more to it than that.
Well, yes. But regardless, almost any game can be downscaled to any platform. See how almost every game in existance also gets a DS port? Hey, theres Lost Planet out for mobile phones, so someone give me a Wii version! ;)
thezombiemessia
23-08-08, 19:44
The DSdoesnt get ports...it gets games based on the intellectual properties. Assassins Creed is available on the DS, but it isnt Assassins Creed, its a different game.
Same goes for near enough every other DS version of a popular game.
If you want something like that, then that is great...that means more RE titles for the Wii...such as the RE4 port, or Umbrella Chronicles.
But completely downscaling something like RE5 would just be idiotic...especially considering one of the supposed biggest selling points of the game is the graphics and large numbers of enemies.
But completely downscaling something like RE5 would just be idiotic...especially considering one of the supposed biggest selling points of the game is the graphics and large numbers of enemies.
Well, so youre one that would compare versions. I wouldnt. I never even looked at a screenshot of RE5 so far, since as long as no Wii version is announced, it doesnt matter to me.
For example, before Dead Rising was announced for the Wii, I didnt even know it existed :)
I wouldnt say thats a comparison so much as a speculation as there is no Wii version to compare to.
I do respect your answer to this Cybergoth, its understandable.
You know, I understand you guys too. When I was in my teens, I had all games for all home computers and every console and knew everything about anything gaming related.
But now Im 34, married with two little children and so the little spare time I have Im not scanning libraries of systems I dont own. I dont even find enough time to spend with the Wii.
It comes down to target audience. Nintendos been quite clever and built a system that can appeal to more people then both Sony and Microsoft.
thezombiemessia
23-08-08, 20:52
But completely downscaling something like RE5 would just be idiotic...especially considering one of the supposed biggest selling points of the game is the graphics and large numbers of enemies.
Well, so youre one that would compare versions.
I compare, yes...but judge on merits. Im not a graphics person.
Im actually incredibly interested in Dead Rising Wii, despite owning the 360 version. This is because the Wii version actually sounds more suited to my style of play.
However, when it comes to RE5, purely out of speculation, i see it as never happening.
I would prefer the Wii to get a RE game built specifically for the Wii, such as UC.
However, when it comes to RE5, purely out of speculation, i see it as never happening.
I think a Wii version could be to the PS360 versions what Resident Evil: Deadly Silence was to Remake. Two significantly different interpretations of the same game, both excellent :)
I would prefer the Wii to get a RE game built specifically for the Wii, such as UC.
UC didnt work for me personally, since IMO a rails shooter has as much to do with Resident Evil as a Zombie Addon for The Sims. But I wouldnt mind another Wii specific episde, say like Zero. Or a more RPG like approach again, like Sweet Home. But well, of course the PS360 owners most naturally would want to have that too then ;)
Well, regarding the opening question, the answer is simple: The Wii is my system of choice for this generation, so I want any interesting game to be available there as well, simple as that :)
And ive noticed the common delusion of people thinking that downscaling the graphics would make it possible, there is much more to it than that.
Well, yes. But regardless, almost any game can be downscaled to any platform. See how almost every game in existance also gets a DS port? Hey, theres Lost Planet out for mobile phones, so someone give me a Wii version! ;)
Lost Planet Ps3,360 versions are not the same as the mobile phone version so its not even a downscale its a totaly different game.
Yes many games can be put on lesser consoles, phones ect even though they have the same same name they are not the same game due to tech limmitations.
Yes Dead Rising is going to the Wii but it is loosing a lot of what the 360 version has and is about, im not saying Dead Rising Wii will be a bad game but the aprouch of the game is different from the 360 version.
Yes games can be made for the les tech platform but it not the same game as the higher tech platforms.
So yes your right any game can be made for any platform but they wont offer the same gameplay experience, story or both.
So if these games were made on the Wii would gamers complain about the lack of game compared to the higher tech systems.
On mobile phones you dont expect them to be the exact same game but would people demand more on the Wii versions to be on par with ps3 and 360 even though it may not be possible?
I think what most people are saying is that the version on 360 and ps3 would not have a prayer of running on the Wii unless it looses stuff from the game and is that realy worth it?
So if these games were made on the Wii would gamers complain about the lack of game compared to the higher tech systems.
Why should they? If one only has a X360, hes happy with his version. If one only has a Wii, hes happy with his version as well. If one owns a X360 and a Wii, hes buying the Wii version at his own risk, especially when already having the X360 version. Of course it wont be on par. Even if it was, why buy the same game twice?
On mobile phones you dont expect them to be the exact same game but would people demand more on the Wii versions to be on par with ps3 and 360 even though it may not be possible?
One can certainly demand a lot more from the Wii than from a mobile phone.
I think what most people are saying is that the version on 360 and ps3 would not have a prayer of running on the Wii unless it looses stuff from the game and is that realy worth it?
Well, to me, yes :)
So if these games were made on the Wii would gamers complain about the lack of game compared to the higher tech systems.
Why should they? If one only has a X360, hes happy with his version. If one only has a Wii, hes happy with his version as well. If one owns a X360 and a Wii, hes buying the Wii version at his own risk, especially when already having the X360 version. Of course it wont be on par. Even if it was, why buy the same game twice?
On mobile phones you dont expect them to be the exact same game but would people demand more on the Wii versions to be on par with ps3 and 360 even though it may not be possible?
One can certainly demand a lot more from the Wii than from a mobile phone.
I think what most people are saying is that the version on 360 and ps3 would not have a prayer of running on the Wii unless it looses stuff from the game and is that realy worth it?
Well, to me, yes :)
Why should they moan? Easy its not the same game as the other systems.
Yes I know people can demand expext more than a mobile phone version in regaurds to A Wii version the Wii has more about it than a Mobile phone i was just using it as a example.:d
To you yes but how many people would be the same as you?
Who said about buying the same game twice? But saying that you do get people who will buy both PS3 and 360 version anyway but still no one said about buying the same game twice.
This is Capcom R&D need to look into this.
I see on many forums that people want the same Resi 5 game as the ps3 and 360 on the Wii (obviously not you) , this is not possible with the Wii specs.
TBH apart from cash I cant see why any one would settle with just one console.
To you yes but how many people would be the same as you?
Hard to find an answer for this one. I tried researching some and found a petition signed by over 10.000 people that want Bionic Commando for the Wii. Not Rearmed ;)
Then theres over 1 million sold copies of RE4 for the Wii.
The real figure should be somewhere inbetween those two numbers, Id think the number of Wii Dead Rising that get sold will be the best answer you will get for this question.
TBH apart from cash I cant see why any one would settle with just one console.
Just curious now, but why would any normal household buy two consoles? For the money youd invest into the second console you could buy 8-20 games for the other.
That being asked, I actually own approx. 20 consoles, not counting handhelds. I just only have few CD based and only one current console, the Wii. E.G. I got my first playstation (for 10 Euro!) less than a year ago. So some day I will have a PS3 as well, probably when the PS5 rocks the charts ;)
TBH apart from cash I cant see why any one would settle with just one console.
Just curious now, but why would any normal household buy two consoles? For the money youd invest into the second console you could buy 8-20 games for the other.
That being asked, I actually own approx. 20 consoles, not counting handhelds. I just only have few CD based and only one current console, the Wii. E.G. I got my first playstation (for 10 Euro!) less than a year ago. So some day I will have a PS3 as well, probably when the PS5 rocks the charts ;)
I think youll find that many users on this forum own more then one console, myself included. If Im buying a multi-format game I do my research and buy the best version of the game for the console I own.
To you yes but how many people would be the same as you?
Hard to find an answer for this one. I tried researching some and found a petition signed by over 10.000 people that want Bionic Commando for the Wii. Not Rearmed ;)
Then theres over 1 million sold copies of RE4 for the Wii.
The real figure should be somewhere inbetween those two numbers, Id think the number of Wii Dead Rising that get sold will be the best answer you will get for this question.
TBH apart from cash I cant see why any one would settle with just one console.
Just curious now, but why would any normal household buy two consoles? For the money youd invest into the second console you could buy 8-20 games for the other.
That being asked, I actually own approx. 20 consoles, not counting handhelds. I just only have few CD based and only one current console, the Wii. E.G. I got my first playstation (for 10 Euro!) less than a year ago. So some day I will have a PS3 as well, probably when the PS5 rocks the charts ;)
you dont seem to understand.
Yes i have seen the petitions but those i have seen want the exact same game as the 360 and ps3 and not one scaled down to suit the wii.
Many dont understand the wii cant run these games like the ps3 and 360 so it wont be the same game in essence.
you have seen how Dead Risisng has been cut for the wii resi 5 would have to go along the same line which is what a lot of the people dont understand.
I Know you do but most dont and dont want a cut rehashed version to fit the wii.
I have Ps3,Wii and 360. Why you ask.
Simple I am a gamer and their are games exclusive on each platform i want so for me to play these games I need more than one console.
360
Gears of War
Lost Oddesy
GTA IV exclusive DLC
Blue Dragon
Plus more
Ps3
Resitence FOM
F1 (was exclusive till sony lost the licence)
Little big planet
plus more
Wii
Mario Galaxy
Zelda
Zak & Wiki
plus more
I cant play the games i want with just one or two consoles i need them all.
you dont seem to understand.
Yes i have seen the petitions but those i have seen want the exact same game as the 360 and ps3 and not one scaled down to suit the wii.
Many dont understand the wii cant run these games like the ps3 and 360 so it wont be the same game in essence.
Hm... it would depend mostly on the game I think. Some would just lose some graphics shading, some a lot more. But I dont think its fair to say all those people are just dumb, thinking they will get a version thats 1:1 the same. Thats a pretty elitist thought, no?
you have seen how Dead Risisng has been cut for the wii resi 5 would have to go along the same line which is what a lot of the people dont understand.
I Know you do but most dont and dont want a cut rehashed version to fit the wii.
Well, its hard to judge Dead Rising. It will differ a lot from what Im reading. It can be spectacular on the Wii no less though. I can assume it being a very different experience of for example beheading a zombie using a sword with an elegant Wiimote swing, instead of just pressing a button. Well, its not out yet and time will tell how well it works out in the end.
I have Ps3,Wii and 360. Why you ask.
Simple I am a gamer and their are games exclusive on each platform i want so for me to play these games I need more than one console.
Back in the day I was like that as well. Id be interested in statistic numbers, but I assume only a minority is really owning all three consoles these days. So youre male, single and 16-24 years old? :)
I think youll find that many users on this forum own more then one console, myself included. If Im buying a multi-format game I do my research and buy the best version of the game for the console I own.
So, how often does the Wii win, if at all? :)
Back in the day I was like that as well. Id be interested in statistic numbers, but I assume only a minority is really owning all three consoles these days. So youre male, single and 16-24 years old? :)
Youll be surprised to see how many older gamers owning more than one platforms there are - see here, over 30, female, married, Ive got all of them. You may argue that I work in the industry but I know a fair number of people in my age range who have more than one currrent gen console. Its all down to disposable income, older gamers might buy less games because of time restrictions but are fairly keen on having the latest technology.
I think youll find that many users on this forum own more then one console, myself included. If Im buying a multi-format game I do my research and buy the best version of the game for the console I own.
So, how often does the Wii win, if at all? :)
If its a multiformat game, not too often Im afraid. I find a lot of Wii ports lazy at best.
The exclusives are what keeps me intrested in the Wii. Though currently I dont see any arriving on that format thats aimed at my age (25) group.
Youll be surprised to see how many older gamers owning more than one platforms there are - see here, over 30, female, married, Ive got all of them.
Hehe, now I got a picture of you in my mind thats resembling the lady that opened Nintendos E3 show ;)
Do you have any real numbers? How many households really own all three current consoles?
The exclusives are what keeps me intrested in the Wii. Though currently I dont see any arriving on that format thats aimed at my age (25) group.
Many publishers and developers were seemingly missing the boat on the Wii, so I think thats the lack of high class third party support we experience right now, with Capcom being about the only company delivering real high quality games. Maybe a few others like No More Heroes, or Bully, but basically you can only buy Nintendo and Capcom games. Of course that is also a major reason why all Wii owners are longing for more Capcom goodness coming to their system.
I see the Wii becoming much more interesting next year again, when it seems like other developers are slowly catching up. Theres Segas efforts with Mad World and HotD Overkill, theres Overlord, The Conduit, Deadly Creatures and others. Of course, Nintendo will eventually deliver Disaster some day and announced a new Pikmin already (plus the rumoured Factor 5 Wii title) and theres Dead Rising, Spyborgs, Monster Hunter 3 and other thrilling titles coming from Capcom once again :)
Hehe, now I got a picture of you in my mind thats resembling the lady that opened Nintendos E3 show ;)
Cammie Dunaway? I dont look in anyway like her :d:d
Do you have any real numbers? How many households really own all three current consoles?
I dont have hard data on this but if you look at the instal base in the UK, we have around 2 million X360, 1 million PS3 and we know how much Nintendo is smiling with their Wii ;) I find it hard to believe that there isnt a significant cross over.
thezombiemessia
27-08-08, 10:51
Do you have any real numbers? How many households really own all three current consoles?
I dont have hard data on this but if you look at the instal base in the UK, we have around 2 million X360, 1 million PS3 and we know how much Nintendo is smiling with their Wii ;) I find it hard to believe that there isnt a significant cross over.
Agreed. Near enough every person i know that is keeping up with the latest generation of consoles has atleast 2 of them, and plans on buying the third when they can.
And these are varying age ranges.
Also, due to the current pricing of consoles, it is generally the older generations that have more than 1 current gen console in their household.
you dont seem to understand.
Yes i have seen the petitions but those i have seen want the exact same game as the 360 and ps3 and not one scaled down to suit the wii.
Many dont understand the wii cant run these games like the ps3 and 360 so it wont be the same game in essence.
Hm... it would depend mostly on the game I think. Some would just lose some graphics shading, some a lot more. But I dont think its fair to say all those people are just dumb, thinking they will get a version thats 1:1 the same. Thats a pretty elitist thought, no?
you have seen how Dead Risisng has been cut for the wii resi 5 would have to go along the same line which is what a lot of the people dont understand.
I Know you do but most dont and dont want a cut rehashed version to fit the wii.
Well, its hard to judge Dead Rising. It will differ a lot from what Im reading. It can be spectacular on the Wii no less though. I can assume it being a very different experience of for example beheading a zombie using a sword with an elegant Wiimote swing, instead of just pressing a button. Well, its not out yet and time will tell how well it works out in the end.
I have Ps3,Wii and 360. Why you ask.
Simple I am a gamer and their are games exclusive on each platform i want so for me to play these games I need more than one console.
Back in the day I was like that as well. Id be interested in statistic numbers, but I assume only a minority is really owning all three consoles these days. So youre male, single and 16-24 years old? :)
I agree if i had only a wii i would be happy for that version many wont, Two things that I have heard people complain about in the last two years are 1, The terrible ports to ps3. 2, not having dumped down games to the wii. Number 1 dose not happen as much as it did do 8 to 12 months ago.
Im all for games coming to the wii but and accept it wont be the same as the ps3 and 360 versions as you would loose more than shade and graphics.
less processing power means less on-screen,action, items, enemies ect
Going by history they will dumb down the hardnes on the wii. Resi 4 wii was too easy deadrising being made easyer for the wii.
not saying dead rising wii will be bad as i will get it and judge for m self but the loss of some key features is a disapointment for me even though it was ineveatable
No Married male with two children and 33 years old.
Back in the day I was like that as well. Id be interested in statistic numbers, but I assume only a minority is really owning all three consoles these days. So youre male, single and 16-24 years old? :)
Youll be surprised to see how many older gamers owning more than one platforms there are - see here, over 30, female, married, Ive got all of them. You may argue that I work in the industry but I know a fair number of people in my age range who have more than one currrent gen console. Its all down to disposable income, older gamers might buy less games because of time restrictions but are fairly keen on having the latest technology.
Be that as it may, (Sorry, I just really wanted to use that phrase) I do believe that the largest group playing videogames is still between 14 to 20 years old, the group of older people actually playing videogames a minority.
thezombiemessia
27-08-08, 14:36
Be that as it may, (Sorry, I just really wanted to use that phrase) I do believe that the largest group playing videogames is still between 14 to 20 years old, the group of older people actually playing videogames a minority.
Which is an incredibly naive view to have on the gaming market.
The latest generation alone proves this. the PS3 and 360 are set at a price that is, realistically, not affordable for people within that age category in a majority.
The videogame industry is now over 30 years old, and many people have grown up in and around this industry, and you will find that the vast majority of gamers are now averaging out at mid twenties or higher.
Even with the Wii, at its low price point, is aiming itself at an audience that is much older than what you are saying.
Back in the day I was like that as well. Id be interested in statistic numbers, but I assume only a minority is really owning all three consoles these days. So youre male, single and 16-24 years old? :)
Youll be surprised to see how many older gamers owning more than one platforms there are - see here, over 30, female, married, Ive got all of them. You may argue that I work in the industry but I know a fair number of people in my age range who have more than one currrent gen console. Its all down to disposable income, older gamers might buy less games because of time restrictions but are fairly keen on having the latest technology.
Be that as it may, (Sorry, I just really wanted to use that phrase) I do believe that the largest group playing videogames is still between 14 to 20 years old, the group of older people actually playing videogames a minority.
I poseted a survey on here a couple of months ago that shows the average age of the UK gamer is 33 so your wrong :p ;)
EDIT
Cant find the topic i made but gone one better here is the link
http://news.cnet.co.uk/gamesgear/0,39029682,49297127,00.htm