View Full Version : Scrubs, cheapness eleitists - a guide
Zombiebrian
18-10-09, 15:03
Some of you might have experience with all of this if you have been a part of the sf community you sometimes need to be careful what you say or you will be flamed.
To help i'll go over what the story is and hope it helps you.
http://www.sirlin.net/ptw
The above is a widely held view in the street fighter community bible. It is also where the term scrub comes from. the meaning has since been twisted to mean something different. A scrub is in fact a person who doesn't believe in play to win and is not at all meant as a dirgoty term. At least it wasnt when he used it. However when you coin a phrase to describe people who dont nessacerly agree with you view is got twisted to mean person who isnt good at Street Fighter or a n00b.
If you say some thing like x charcter is cheap you will be called a scrub in certain parts of the community. Which is true to them if a little rough on new people in the community. If you play someone and they call you a scrub for playing a certain way or using a certain charcter its them that is the scrub not you. Personally i hate this term as it smacks of elitism and doesnt take in new players into the community with open arms.
How many New players have been put off of street fighter and other fighting games because of this term. Eventhubs.com was set up on the foundation of anti elitism and has florished as a result.
There are other views on the subjects sirilins book suggests and I think its sad that they arent discussed without someone screaming SCRUUBB!!!
As far as i can make out there are the following opinions
1) sirilins
2) Playing for fun - Players playing for fun usually have a certain ruleset of there own and certain chars are out of bounds and cheese tactics are a no no, These are often called scrubs as they are most likely to call things cheap and get anoyed with other players. They also attach hounor to the way they play there game.
3) Moderate - People who blame capcom for cheap chars and tactics in the game but dont deny em as valid tactics authough they genrally frown on cheese.
This isnt black and white there are many shades of grey.
i hope this helps someone out there get used to the community we could do with all the fans we could get. more fans more games
In that case, I don't think I'd fit in with Eventhubs.
I'm a lousy scrub that snuffs when people pick Sagat at the Tournaments.
Sometimes I do feel like a player has actually done a good job... but most of the times that's overshadowed because I feel people just pick him because of his Damage output and far-reaching moves. (Which isn't offset by his HUEGE Hitbox.)
Kieron Baird
20-10-09, 15:49
In that case, I don't think I'd fit in with Eventhubs.
I'm a lousy scrub that snuffs when people pick Sagat at the Tournaments.
Sometimes I do feel like a player has actually done a good job... but most of the times that's overshadowed because I feel people just pick him because of his Damage output and far-reaching moves. (Which isn't offset by his HUEGE Hitbox.)
I agree with you about Sagat Jarlino, he has an unfair advantage and that is why a lot of people tend to go for him.
Personally I would just say to people, play the game and enjoy it. I go Blanka, people tell me he is cheap and lame but I like him, I would say he has good and bad points, his electric shock being amazing but he has negatives that make up for him having that one good move. Can anyone tell me Sagat's?
Zombiebrian
20-10-09, 16:11
In that case, I don't think I'd fit in with Eventhubs.
I'm a lousy scrub that snuffs when people pick Sagat at the Tournaments.
Sometimes I do feel like a player has actually done a good job... but most of the times that's overshadowed because I feel people just pick him because of his Damage output and far-reaching moves. (Which isn't offset by his HUEGE Hitbox.)
You have picked me up wrong in that, Eventhubs was created as a reaction to all the scrub namecalling that appears on the likes of srk.
At the moment there is a huge devide on eventhubs forum between those that treat sirlins book as a bible and those who beileve certain things are really cheap and the game would better off.
The Sagat debate is cheif among those arguments right now. For the record I am also one of those that beleives sagats borderline broken in this game.
You wont be called scrub on event hubs although some may argue against your opinions.
Looking at it i disagree with kerion i reckon balnka elect move breaks up the game and involves very little skill he is not a fun match for anyone at the best of times but i can disagree without name calling thats what eventhubs is all about.
Kieron Baird
20-10-09, 16:40
I would say our matches together are fun, even though I am a Blanka player. I have played a few people that have sent a message to say that the games were enjoyable too. As I keep saying, Ryu players keep using hadouken, as a stand alone move and it can be dodged. Anyone online who plays as Blanka can just keep using electric shock, same as a Ryu and can be dodged.
As for the no skill, there are a handful of moves that can be achieved by mashing the punch button and if you don't just want a slap when using his electric shock, timing is also required.
Anyone online who plays as Blanka can just keep using electric shock, same as a Ryu and can be dodged.
I am offended, and I'm sure Jack is as well.
I was expecting mor of you Kieron. T_T
My poor fragile heart is shattered!
Despite his beastly appearance, playing Blanka is like a good game of chess..
Anticipate, Retaliate, Annihilate.
The shock should really only be used as the possibly best anti-air in-game. :D
Of course, I'm preaching to the choir, since you play the beastly boy your yourself.
Kieron Baird
21-10-09, 15:46
I am offended, and I'm sure Jack is as well.
I was expecting mor of you Kieron. T_T
My poor fragile heart is shattered!
What did I do, did I do something wrong :blink:? If I caused any offense I appologise.
I wasn't dissing anyones character or anything, I am just saying to Zombiebrian, who seems to hate Blanka :p, the move spammers can be overcome.
Zombiebrian
21-10-09, 22:30
he's fairley skilless is all im saying no combos just tactics not really fair
Electric Leo
21-10-09, 22:56
I think Sirlin lost all credibility when he went mental about Street Fighter IV. Our crowd still say we're 'playing to win', though.
Kieron Baird
22-10-09, 11:34
he's fairley skilless is all im saying no combos just tactics not really fair
True he has few combos but skilless is a bit extreme, tactics is a skill in its own right. Just because he can't link an ultra into a combo doesn't mean he isn't fair, if anything that more than makes up for his electric shock being amazing.
Actually he can kieron, it can link off crouching mid kick and its one of the most severe links in the game, so much so most dont bother with it.
zombrian calling the character skilless just because he doesnt have a huge aray of combos open to him is a joke imo.
also i dont think electric is all that, i barely ever use it, i prefer upball on wakeup or upball and horizontal ball as a combo ender.
Zombiebrian
22-10-09, 17:26
I stand by my comment that Blanka requires less skill to play than most of the cast. Alot of his moves are safe on block. Dont get me wrong, I can play the match and win it but playing the match isnt fun it's a tediuse match and where im working twice as hard as my opponent.
It's my opinion i stand by it im sure blankas disagree like sagat players disagree that he is overpowered and ryu players dissagree the trade srk into ultra isnt right.
we can go all night about what is and what isnt a enjoyable match, I know a good amount of people dont enjoy the blanka match due to my reasoning and im sure there are those out there that will say the opposite.... In compitition like on EHT I dont complain cause its competative no holds barred but sparring and playing with friends I dont play friends who play as blanka cause the match isnt intresting or fun.
It's all opinion
im not just a blanka player i play everyone, inclusing ryu (i think its unfair hit ultra off trade) theres a difference between saying a character is skill-less and saying this character or that character takes more skill.
safe on block? sounds a bit to me like you dont know what your on about, blanka is absolutely not a safe character, you cant sit back and wait for your opponent to come to you, he's a rush down character who's majority of moves absolutely are not safe.
i dont know why you talking the "we can go on all night" route, you started the thread, i thought you wanted chat??
Zombiebrian
22-10-09, 18:45
This thread was created for another reason it's not about how i dont like playing blanka or how in my opinion he is a skilless character.
Yeah, I do know what im on about I know how to beat blankas how to jab em out the blanka ball how to fa the slide and how i can apply pressure to blankas which balls can be punished and whats the best way to punish em.
I still dont enjoy the match and still i believe its a relitivly skilless choice. compared to how many charcters have to work hard to engenier their combos and their anti air and get their moves in. He also has an ultra which up close can be a pain to block (online) cause of the window between the low - high block.
Dont get me wrong i do believe he can be played skillfully but often thats not the case.
i just meant u dont know what your on about with regard to the comment that blankas moves are very safe, im sure you can play very well, and know lots about the game, some things you have said however i think arent right so obviously im going to say, thats part of how we learn right, by talking and debating ;-D
I really disagree that blanka doesnt have to work hard to engineer his combos, though i wont post my view unless you want me too as it doesnt seem you really want to talk any more?
Kieron Baird
23-10-09, 09:15
I thought our matches were fun Zombiebrian :(.
Zombiebrian
24-10-09, 12:34
Hey man it's a free country you can post you views, It's true blank can be beat but without combos hes he is a beat to be reckoned with, with combos he is top tier no doubt about that. Skill less is probably the wrong way to say it.
Im not talking at the top of the game here im talking about a game between friends who are just playing for fun. I have to work twice as hard to keep up with blanka players who play with no combos, yep he can be beaten and yeah he is very much a learned match, a fun match... imho no its not fun to sit and have to consentrate hard on the action while you opponent doesnt.
He can also be played at the top end and be a very intense match for good players ive seen top chun players taken apart on u-tube by blankas and full credit to them.
But at the low end of the game where i play and im sure others on this site and others do to. The blanka match is uneven and not a fun match.
Keiron - in mine and other opinion the blanka match just isnt fun. Similar other thing the gief match isnt fun. I enjoy the gief match but others dont. It's a personal prefrance.
btw full screen ultras not a good option ever. you gotta learn to link em up. FA beside someone on wake up also not a good idea especially when he has an ultra. you backed off alot when you were on top on wake up rose doesnt have alot in her locker and wake up matches are a big part of the game.
Kieron Baird
24-10-09, 13:18
I don't know, I just can't seem to link Blanka's ultra into a combo, the timing is just impossible. Whenever I try and pull it off or try to do it secretly, he always does coward crouch.
If the buttons were different it would be much easier, it is just the fact that you need to hold back.
Close up after a knock down or just as a plain anti air is the way i use blankas ultra, i wish you could FADC his upball like the shotos can with there shoryu, that would be sick. Also a little trick of mine is to whiff ultra when i think an opponent will run away and tack a river run on the end, suprising how many people it catches out though obviously it is a bit of a waste, still its worth it when u throw a taunt out there afterward.
I dont tend to bother trying to link it off a mid kick, its too severe a link and i usually mess it up and get whacked for my trouble ;-P