View Full Version : Just watching the films, and noticed something interesting...
thezombiemessia
02-08-08, 17:38
If you care about the films and havent seen certain ones then:
****MAJOR SPOILERS AHEADZ****
- In Apocalypse (2nd movie) Carlos gets bitten, but luckily gets injected with the anti-virus...making him immune to the T-virus.
- In Extinction, Carlos gets bitten by a Zombie...and decides that he will soon be dead, and goes off and kills himself in a big fiery explosion.
Ok...so...he may have been bitten by a super zombie but these guys are still infected with the T-virus...Why the hell isnt Carlos still immune??
I dont like the films...but still...
Just realised...he wasnt even bitten by a super-zombie! He was bitten by LJ, who was just a normal zombie!!
Can you explain how you know that injecting him with the anti-virus made him immune? In Apocalypse I mean.
thezombiemessia
02-08-08, 17:49
Because that is what the anti-virus does. It cured him of the infection in Apocalypse, and it should still be in his bloodstream.
He should be permanently immune to the T-virus.
Meh. So they changed the rules a little (doesnt surprise me), the movies arent based on the games and are generally considered rubbish anyway.
That aside, I noticed it, but never questioned it. What I did question however was that in Apocalypse, Carlos is injected with the anti-virus 3 (count them, 3) hours after being bitten, the change doesnt take that long and even if it did, the virus would have spread too far throughout his system for the anti-virus to work.
thezombiemessia
02-08-08, 18:28
There are many problems with the series, but this one (imo) takes the biscuit...
I brought this up on another forum ages ago but got no response
Its things like this to why 99% of games to films dont work due to contradictions.
Maybe its a nod to the fact that in the games the characters use vaccines to cure their infections -_- ;)
Hah, I noticed this when I watched the film and thought Didnt he get the shot last time? isnt he immune or something? I just lied to myself and said that the virus must have mutated over time.
thezombiemessia
03-08-08, 10:03
Im just surprised that i didnt notice this any sooner...
It seriously is one of the biggest flaws in the series...the biggest that i can see anyway...
Can anybody list any more? Perhaps bigger?
Thats by far the biggest goof from what i recall
thezombiemessia
03-08-08, 14:14
Imagine how different the film would be if they realised this mistake...
true.
I have never liked the Alice aspect of the film.
Also in the 2nd film when the nemesis was awoken/brought online he was on medical table which IMO was wrong he should have emerged from a holding or birthing tank of some sort.
thezombiemessia
03-08-08, 14:31
He also wakes up with no restrictor coat on...which is odd.
Kind of implies that he had to go and get dressed after being woken up.
I assume youre referring to the 103 in Resident Evil 2, where the coat kept the mutations in check, then when it was lost the 103 went out of control.
I never really thought about the Nemesis outfit in Resident Evil 3 doing the same thing, but I suppose its possible.
In the movie there is no mention of a restrictor outfit and he doesnt mutate anymore anyway, once Alice is done fighting him, he gets crushed by the helicopter, thats the end of him.
I missed that one
Very annoying thinking about it.
thezombiemessia
03-08-08, 14:45
Even though the film never really says why Nemesis wears a coat, it still implies that Nemesis woke up...then got dressed...
Can you imagine a Tyrant getting dressed? And on top of that, a Tyrant as stiff moving as the Nemesis from Apocalypse?? :P
Yeah I get it, its funny.
thezombiemessia
03-08-08, 14:53
Just as a matter of interest, i looked through archives for info on Nemesis coat, and got this:
Finally, to protect it from bullets and explosions, and to provide a fail-safe if it went out of control for any reason, it was wrapped in a specially made long overcoat before it was sent off to fight. - Page 159, Resident Evil Archives
and
A mutated form of Nemesis, uninhibited by the coat that helped keep it in check. - Page 160, Resident Evil Archives
Maybe its a nod to the fact that in the games the characters use vaccines to cure their infections -_- ;)
Someone didnt listen in biology! There are various vaccines that can also be used after the illness is contracted (cant think of any off heart, but they are real) and even then, when your body fights off an infection, even with the aid of antibiotics or drugs, it will often build up antibiodies in the process which will remain in your immune systems memory so you will effectively become immune, though it doesnt happen with all illnesses.
Does it actually state in either game or film that it causes immunity, as Im sure there are drugs that can be effective against viruses/infections that dont result in immunity, as the body either doesnt have the ability to detect the virus in the first place, or isnt able to fight it on its own.
I find the coat thing quite funny though, I can just picture him standing next to a small camp skinny man wearing tight clothing, measuring him up with a tape measure...
Vaccines are weak strains of the deseases and infections, right?
The immune system develops anti-bodies and cures it but it also remembers, so if you ever get the desease or infection full-blown, your body stands a better chance of fighting it, it doesnt make you completely immune, but its a start.
Maybe its a nod to the fact that in the games the characters use vaccines to cure their infections -_- ;)
Someone didnt listen in biology! There are various vaccines that can also be used after the illness is contracted (cant think of any off heart, but they are real) and even then, when your body fights off an infection, even with the aid of antibiotics or drugs, it will often build up antibiodies in the process which will remain in your immune systems memory so you will effectively become immune, though it doesnt happen with all illnesses.
Nah. There are no known vaccines that can cure an already contracted disease, as far as I know.
Now on the films, either its a nod to the games or, as in real life, vaccines are not 100% - its all dependent on the recipients immune system.
The fact is that Carlos never turned into a zombie, maybe he wouldnt have if he didnt blow himself up?
This topic is pointless IMO, you cant prove he should be immune and hell, you cant prove that he wasnt either, he never turned into a zombie.
The Spirit
04-08-08, 09:28
I personally liked Resident Evil Apocalypse, the first & the 3rd movie wasnt that good at all.
Vaccines are weak strains of the deseases and infections, right?
The immune system develops anti-bodies and cures it but it also remembers, so if you ever get the desease or infection full-blown, your body stands a better chance of fighting it, it doesnt make you completely immune, but its a start.
There are loads of types of vaccines, but the main ones I know of are
-weakened version of the pathogen
-dead pathogen
-antibodies
-chemical identifiers that are on the outsides of pathogens
They depend on the nature of the pathogen as to which is used.
thezombiemessia
04-08-08, 10:15
The fact is that Carlos never turned into a zombie, maybe he wouldnt have if he didnt blow himself up?
This topic is pointless IMO, you cant prove he should be immune and hell, you cant prove that he wasnt either, he never turned into a zombie.
Ah, so we arent allowed to speculate?
*shrugs* these forums are almost dead now, so im just trying to come up with interesting things to talk about.
As for the whole vaccine thing...they call it the anti-virus in the film, which suggests that it is something that actually destroys the virus within the body, and keeps them immune forever...otherwise what would be the point in giving employees and anti-virus??
The fact is that Carlos never turned into a zombie, maybe he wouldnt have if he didnt blow himself up?
This topic is pointless IMO, you cant prove he should be immune and hell, you cant prove that he wasnt either, he never turned into a zombie.
Pointless?
Forums feed on speculations along with opinions, which in turn should make your post pointless but its just a misguided opinion.
Nothing pointless about the films inconsistency discussion.
The fact is that Carlos never turned into a zombie, maybe he wouldnt have if he didnt blow himself up?
This topic is pointless IMO, you cant prove he should be immune and hell, you cant prove that he wasnt either, he never turned into a zombie.
Ah, so we arent allowed to speculate?
*shrugs* these forums are almost dead now, so im just trying to come up with interesting things to talk about.
As for the whole vaccine thing...they call it the anti-virus in the film, which suggests that it is something that actually destroys the virus within the body, and keeps them immune forever...otherwise what would be the point in giving employees and anti-virus??
They gave it to all the employees? Well I obviously doesnt work then :D!
How many times have we been attacked by zombified umbrella workers!
And this entire forum is/was about random speculation and geekage, so dont complain!
I guess another one would be when the licker eats Spencers DNA in the first film it transforms, yet in the second film a licker kills someone in the church yet it dosnt transform.
Them movies sucks they have nothing to do with the games there is to much action and theres nothing scary in it
The movies sucks they have nothing to do with the games
AngelS Wesker
20-08-08, 19:30
Yeah, the Movies suck when it comes to storytelling! And the Books (about the Movies) suck even a little more.
Has anyone here read them? Has anyone here worked himself through these parts where Matt tries to fight off Nemesis inside his head? (sorry if I cant explain this properly, but English is not my mother tongue and I cant find my dictionary...) All this was so stupid. I mean: If Matts personality was still there and they were controlling Nemesis via Computerchip... wouldnt it still be necessary to -I dont know- ...somehow cut all the nerves to keep Matt from controlling his own body (wich it still was, although it was mutated and stuff). Sorry, but this is really hard to explain... maybe someone knows what I mean and can find better words for it...
And for this Carlos-beeing-immune-or-not problem:
Even if the Anti-Virus doesnt make you immune (which I really cant say because I never listened in Biology *booooooring*)... they where right in front of an Umbrella lab! Ready to enter! Where else could you possibly have a better chance of finding another shot of Anti-Virus for Carlos? And why did he have to blow himself up anyway? With Alice having these powers, it would have been so easy to burn a nice little path through the Zombies.
These Movies simply dont make sense. There are so many mistakes in the story...
Member_of_STARS
21-08-08, 18:25
A vaccine, antidote, whatever- doesnt make you immune for the rest of your life. Everyone probably remembers the annual vaccination process (or in my case, once every 3 years or so) in their school time.
Its very possible that the vaccine against T Virus wasnt life-lasting.
Completely unrelated to viruses:
At the start of Resident Evil, the guy is trying to hack out the glass with an axe, later he is seen dragging the axe with a broken foot, when the Red Queen asks Alice to kill Rain, Alice uses the magic axe thats suddenly re-appeared back in the room even though its been dragged off by the zombie, and whats more, is that its an important plot device (used to kill zombie Spence outside the train).