View Full Version : Oldschool Resident evil vs New Style
This is a topic made for the reason to find out how many people like the oldschool style and want capcom to change its new Jhon Rambo Projects back to original style, or how many people are who like this new run your gun off Resident evil 4,5 style.
You want capcom to remake residnet evil 2 and 3 ? and then make a new engine for next generation and for Resident evil 4 ? please say it here . (I dont call the recent resident evil 4 as that title, or 5, for me this 2 games dozent exist) so i think it depends on us here that what they are going to do in the futhure.
Make full this topic please, talk about your opinions or just say it short wich of the old or new style you want in the futhure to continue , maybe someone is taking a look and they take this serious.
Resident evil 1 remake
Resident evil 2
Resident evil 3
Resident evil Code Veronica x
Resident evil 0
against
Resident evil 4
Resident evil 5
Story comparation, gameplay comparation, feeling comparation, athmosphere. and ofcours the originality of the art of survival horror.
Think about this and please lets have a long talk about it, evry one just say what they wish from capcom and if you alredy said it then take a control copy and paste it here. thank you
My personaly opinion and wish from a next generation resident evil wich should get the title of Resident evil 4 would be like this :
A combination of resident evil 1,2,3 its a good idea, the horror feeling and unexpected maps and facilitys from resident evil 1 with the more scenarion endings from resident evil 2 and the thriller scary big Nemesis whos yelling always STARS in resident evil 3 wich is coming always when you dont exept him and make you run and judge fast on what you do next !, all this in a new next generation engine, wich the resident evil 1 camera style but combined with code veronica camera style so it folows the character, more then 30 hours of gameplay and very challenging riddles and a very nice long complicated storyline with a nice drama ending wich makes us cry....etc
okamihameha
24-04-08, 01:29
yo furious, i posted in reply of what you said in the resi....dying column, you might wanna check it out.
besides those comments, putting it simply resident evil 4 felt more like an on the rails shooter than a survival horror game.
shiverers/creepers/whatever were the only things i found somewhat unsettling.
the music was alright, not as good as past games.
the radio calls? straight out of metal gear, completely in opposition to the all-alone feeling of past games.
zombies with machine guns, funny, not cool. sure the games are b-movie inspired, but they really have far more atmosphere than any b-movie ive seen.
if the resident evil 2 remake is made, in the style of the mansion remake itll be great.
sad to say but it isnt as marketable in the 360 generation.
would probably be better off as a more mature wii game.
doesnt nintendo have the exclusive rights to the first three games/any remakes and zero anyway?
I was thinking about a 3rd person something like the lost planet control system, wich is realy cool in my opinion, so you could see the character as in the old games but aim with him, with the new insane engine and the very cool graphix try to imagine how chris would look there , even the jacket on him should move like in reality when he is moving something more realistic then lost planet (lost planet is awesom realistic how those characters move and jump etc)
so you can go with a realistic shootgun and oldschool re1 headshoots aim it by your self , runing in mansions, facilitys, the camera folowing you in real time that maybe would be a great idea....i just cant accept this new camera style...i dont know why but i dont feel in resident evil anymore....
The enemys in resident evil 4 are ridiculous...and they are talking that funy stuff umaka, or whatever it is...
Resident evil was mostly all about zombies, g-virus. t-virus, that is the original art of resident evil`s survivor horror, so we need back the real zombies wich look scary but make them smarter ofcours, make them run after us and insane stuff like that, there is so many things i could tell but i feel just tierd to say it ...
Horror , Survivor-Thriller, unexpected story wich has somekind of drama ending, -> this is the way how resident evil 1 was. in 1996 well that is the original stuff
it was about survivor horror, you didnt have a LOT of guns and ammo so you had to spend them carefuly, and you had to run througth the zombies and creatures wich made the game feel the real SURVIVOR stuff, hard riddels .....that is what i am talking about.
And about the story well they could make this resident evil 5 a very nice game, if you start in africa in that place where the trailer is, then do some facility underground after that is done take a plane and go to siberia where the next big umbrella facility is and play like 2 insane big facilitys wich will take in totally like 25 hours of Full action and full riddels and survivor horror feeling and you think the game is over but it just starts cause then you have to go in vegas (like in the re 3 movie) to the main facility of umbrella wich takes another 10 hours of insane hard gameplay and the ending of the game with an very nice drama ending story line, ofcours in the same time put another character like clare in the game wich you meet somethimes throught the game and after you finish the game you can do separat ways with clare wich takes another 20 hours atlast of gameplay in completly new enviroments....
This is what i mean imagination in 2008, its just a part...im not a member of capcom to work on project and get money for it cause if i would get money to work on storyline and stuff like this then i would make the greatest game of the milenium with resident evil 5...just like Hideo Kojima is doing with the revolutionary Metal Gear 4 on ps3...
4 is amazing game
5 looks amazing.
I am a old gamer 30 years+ and my opinion is that games need to evolve and Resi has done that perfectly
spike im sorry to say that but even if you are an old player you dont have the idea about what resident evil means. if you want action game then buy lost planet, but dont say that resident evil 4 and 5 is amazing cuz it is a totally different game it is FAILED.
resident evil 4 was the most stupid game i ever could imagine that capcom can make, if they would give him a diferent title like Leons separat way or whatever other title then the game would be interesting, but using the number 4 title its a Failed game :(.
The fact that they have to change the game and make it next generation dozent mean this was the best way to do it, this was the wrost way.
But now try to imagine that one of the reasons why capcom still making this failed game and make a Jhon Rambo game from resident evil is thanks for people like you who live in a different world and like this **** and buy this ****.
dont worry mate you can use the daddy M16 gun and unleash the chaos in africa in re5 so i think you will be satisfied.
Sems that we dont realy have real oldschool fans around :(...
I like resident evil 4 as an action game it was realy nice long game but not as resident evil it was a failed game.
and it is very eazy if they make resident evil 5 same as 4 then i will get it free from the internet copy. not going to spend 1 dollar on it thats for sure.
I know exactly what Resident Evil is and what it stands for.
Umbrellas aim was total control of the BOW the introduction of the la plaugue (bad spelling ) offerd a probable solution to the problem.
So what its a action horror and not survival horror.
I sugest you dont try telling me what I do or dont like as I have my own opinion and its as valid as your even if you dont like it.
FYI My Faverate Resi is Code Veronica
I respect your opinion mate it just makes me a bit mad when i hear someone say that resident evil 4 was a perfect game :P
My favorite resident evil game was 1 and then 3 and then code veronica, as i play it along the years, but if i have to chose now in 2008 then it is code veronica and resident evil 1 remake.
And please tell me spike 74 what do you think about resident evil 1 remake ? did you play it in the year when it launced ? do you think it was a bad game ? or it was not perfect or great ? tell me your opinion please, cause i think personally that resident evil 1 remake was the capcoms best idea since code veronica. and i also think since resident evil 1 remake was the last resident evil before resident evil 4 came out since the big fun and original game stoped at 1 remake.
I am waiting for your answer.
I respect your opinion mate it just makes me a bit mad when i hear someone say that resident evil 4 was a perfect game :P
My favorite resident evil game was 1 and then 3 and then code veronica, as i play it along the years, but if i have to chose now in 2008 then it is code veronica and resident evil 1 remake.
And please tell me spike 74 what do you think about resident evil 1 remake ? did you play it in the year when it launced ? do you think it was a bad game ? or it was not perfect or great ? tell me your opinion please, cause i think personally that resident evil 1 remake was the capcoms best idea since code veronica. and i also think since resident evil 1 remake was the last resident evil before resident evil 4 came out since the big fun and original game stoped at 1 remake.
I am waiting for your answer.
No game is perfect:)
Love the re-make
I buy all Resi games on release day
Edit.
Resident Evil Zero was the last so called classic style before Resident Evil 4;)
Okey i respect your opinion , wich is that you better like the Daddy m16 mashinegun run out in 232143332 spanish and now black people :P
New style > Classisc style
Okey i respect your opinion , wich is that you better like the Daddy m16 mashinegun run out in 232143332 spanish and now black people :P
New style > Classisc style
As long as I kill infected people dead or alive I dont care how I kill them.
Ps. check the official R5 topic
okamihameha
24-04-08, 16:01
Yeah, resi4 is a great action game
as a survival horror, besides some creepy-shiver moments, its pretty weak, the monk dudes were pretty eerie too.(what do they do all day exactly?)
when i play a survival horror i look forward to great presentation and cinematics, intriguing storylines, files!, dense moody atmospheres, shocks and scares.
bizarrely placed logic puzzles,
shotgun decapitation.
the atmoshere in resi4 was so inconsistent, the forest/village was great, the castle didnt really have any exploration elements, the island was just absurd.
We need facilitys mate thats the source of resident evil.
But i would Love to see on next generation graphix with lost planet control system and camera style, resident evil 3 or a new resident evil where you are in a same city like the one in resident evil 3 where evyrhitng is broken and burns, and the papers ae flying on the streets from the wind etc some very insane zombies and maybe a smart big Tyrant wich apears many times in the game and with a realy nice AI, so he scares the shiet out of you, that would be something super nice .
seth ranson
25-04-08, 13:11
That s a nice idea, would be a change to these no-brainer zombies.
Somehow like that village chief in RE4, only that he s appearing more often and not only in cutscenes.
Resident evil as all the other succeseful games need a super hero and a bad guy, 2 big stars that is what can make a game being legendary , thats why all the fans love Final fantasy 7 cuz there is Serphiroth ! and there is you claud who play as main char, and something same was at the feeling in resident evil 3 with that big Nemesis who came after you always when you didnt know, and it scared the shiet out of you ,
Classis > new style.
thezombiemessia
25-04-08, 17:59
I like them both.
Im getting incredibly bored with the anti-RE5 threads to be honest...ive stated my opinions all over this forum within the past couple of minutes, and repeatedly beforehand.
RE4 is a well made game, great to play and fun to watch. The storyline is just as cheesy and cliche as the original titles, with a slight addition on how Hollywood it was, rather than low budget horror.
My only gripe with RE4 was not the amount of enemies, nor the camera angle, nor the type of enemy, etc...it was purely about how simple it was. The amount of guns is fine...the amount of ammunition was not. If there had been more enemies, then yeah...itd be ok, but there werent.
RE5 hasnt been released yet, so it cant even be put next to RE4...as nobody has played it fully, or has any knowledge on what it is like. For all you know, it is going to be just like RE1, and the action we have been shown only takes place every 40-50 minutes of gameplay.
And before i get asked or anybody tries to say im not a fan:
1. My favorite RE game is RE2, i have completed it over 1000 times now.
2. Check the Resident Evil Collections thread just to see how much i like the series
3. Go to the original Capcom forums and look at my threads and posts.
Thezombiemessia . at the begining you were annoyng but now i start to like your maniac atitude :D
I personaly im going to say the thruth now and forgive for my first fiwe topics, yes i enjoyed re4 when i played it first, i enjoyed it a lot it was super nice, and if i think now back i remember that time that the only thing i realy didnt like was the enemyes, they were very commercial for me and they werent zombies, and i missed very much the Facilitys in the game....as you know mate the old games got big facilitys and they were super nice to play, and the ending of the movie was a bit sick...tipical and simple, and in one thing i have to say a 1 No for you thezombiemessia that the storyline as you said it was poor as in the other re games aswell, well the first 3 re games had a very very nice storyline in my opinion, at last the game fet exactly into the story so it became very enjoiable and playeble.
And maybe my problem was that i played RE Code veronica wich was a very long game and i damn fucking loved it and enjoyed the shiet out of it , the storyline in code veronica and evrything how it happend was very very amazing, so compared to the story wich you play through re4 it is a very big diference.
I mean i was waiting for some miracle or something all over the re4 game, even when it was at the end i was waiting for i dont know what something wich didnt happend, and the ending movie was just to simple.
So what i saw in re5 and was enoyng was that there still at the moment NO zombies, and the enemys are still almoust the same as in re4, they come to many of them, in the same time and they throw you with evry kind of stuff wich makes the game in my opinion more action then survivor horror.
I tryed to explain my fellings and i hope you got my idea finaly and that from now on we can post about nice ideas and stuff in the futhure.
Thezombiemessia i give ya my messenger ID and pls put me in friend list i wana talk some stuff with you there. my id is Ds_The_Godfather
thanks and bye.
I dont really think of RE in two different series like that. Its rather that the Survival Horror genre is evolving as both the demographic and the designers changes over time, and I applaud Capcom for being bold and doing what they do so the series doesnt die. A lot of companies, especially western, are afraid to move on. Just look at Halo 3 and most EA games in general. Say what you want, but RE4 was a fresh breath after the remakes.
-Of course, there will always be a group of people from the original fanbase which hates the changes made. But if it wasnt for changes we would still be playing RPGs in text based first person mode.
Dont be retarded mate. its not about changes, i am from the oldschool classic fanbase but i didnt say i dont want changes holy sh..t....
i said we need changes OF COURSE. but not the way it has changed with those village peoples and those funy stupid enemies, way to much action, way to eazy riddles, and no facilitys....and a most tipical stupid story ever, saving the PRESIDENT`S DAUGHTER.
I waited much more from capcom in 2005 . that is the message we try to say here.
And on next gen of course it need big changes but its important WICH WAY those changes are going .
I said an idea about the lost planet character/ realistic movement, aiming, 3rd person stuff, that it would be a cool idea, but ok lets say this new shooter style its ok but its not the camera wich destroys the game, its the eazy riddles, no facilitys, the enemies, and the way to much action.
And this change from survivor horror to pure action, is cause the to many retarded shooter fans who love shooter action games,so capcom just make loads of more money this way.
We live in a retarded gaiming era in my opinion, just take a look on gamespot and you will see that most of the games are those damn shooters like HALO 3, BIOSHOCK, CONDAMNED, RAINBOWSIX VEGAS, CALL OF DUTY. etc etc etc......i personaly dont need that ****, i personaly miss the 90`s years. that was the most original gaiming era, the only diference from those games to this games are the graphics but the gameplay still the 90`s win till now.
The world we live now is just colapisng, to much commercial **** sels in america of course, and to many brainless people got money or those have money who dont have ideas about real games like (super mario world, yoshi`s island, donkey kong 1,2,3. Mortal kombat 3 ultimate, Killer instinct, Tenchu 1, Metal Gear 1,2,3, 4!, resident evil 1,2,3, code veronica, of course the legendary silent hill 1 and 2 , even 3, crash time racing, crash badicoot 1,2,3, and wrath of the wortex, tekken series, and some more original TRUE games ! ) so those people who dont have a clue about this games of course they buy **** shooters and play them, and all that theyr limited brains can ask today from a game is ACTION ACTION ACTION
This is the way and the world we live today, and that is not only in the gaiming industry it is even in evrything else, like movies, or peoples atitude, in this days look at the kids, the 13 and 14 years old kids alredy talk so dirty and smoke and drink alcool and take drugs, that i cant belive what i see when i see them, the world is chaining and since im here on capcom forums i try to explain the feeling wich i have.
Sorry for my english it aint the best, and thank you for reading my topic, i hope atlast 1 guy agree with me.
Dont like it dont play it!
Mate relax dont be angry on me, its just my opinion, and its a message for those who think the same like me, maybe i am more inteligent then others or maybe im more stupid then others, i dont know that. its just the way how i think. so dont need to get pissed off.
First of all, a warning for you mate.
Secondly, you have proven that you dont know much about marketing and demographics. Ive explained this a million times already, but the simple answer behind the linear storyline in RE4 is not because Capcom couldnt come up with any better, it is that they deliberately made it that way to make it more universal and to reach a wider audience. And it worked.
-If you want a good story, read a book. RE4 is a game.
Triple Seven
27-04-08, 18:48
If you want a good story, read a book. RE4 is a game.
Thats not quite how it works, as far as I am concerned. This games story is so bad, its painful at times. Capcoms stories have never been truly good, the recent games mark a new low, though. The market for gameplay oriented shooters offers a lot of choices as it is. And I am not even talking about why the huge amount of games without a good story should be a thing of the past.
seth ranson
28-04-08, 21:26
Dont like it dont play it!
Hey, are you expecting all those who liked the old REs to shut up and just let their favourite series die like this?
I think we should at least try to make Capcom change RE back to normal (or at the very least remake RE2&3) even if that probably won t have much effect.
When it s released we sure can t change anything anymore.
By the way:
I, too, get annoyed of the rising number of anti-RE5 threads, we should decide on one, because I don t want to post everything three times or more.
thezombiemessia
28-04-08, 22:07
Dont like it dont play it!
Hey, are you expecting all those who liked the old REs to shut up and just let their favourite series die like this?
Yes. This is exactly what i will be doing IF Resident Evil 5 turns out to be just like RE4.
seth ranson]By the way:
I, too, get annoyed of the rising number of anti-RE5 threads, we should decide on one, because I don t want to post everything three times or more.
Or just use the RE5 discussion thread...as this is where RE5 should be discussed.
Clayonite i hope you wount give me more warnings mate...
Ill go with Resident Evil old school, I grew up playing those games and I love them and Id like to play endless more RE games with the good old crappy PS1 graphics.
I dont like Resident Evil 0 AND Remake because of bad soundtrack, boring graphics, boring design, and whatever happened to the crappy old loud moments like when the hands SUDDENLY come out of the windows in RE2 and freaks you out. now on days theres nothing that shocks you whatsoever. its always that you see the enemy slowly walk towards you, then you fight him. is that.. suppose to shock old RE fans?
anyway, then after RE Remake and 0 Ive lost interest into the RE series. while other people were playing RE4 and enjoying it, I played RE Online as my very own RE4. I dont even want RE4 to exist. the RE series are crap now on days..
IMO there are 4 type of RE games. RESIDENT EVIL (1-2-3), RE Remake & Zero, newRE (4 & 5), and Outbreak. (well, actually a lot of other type of RE games with Gun Survivor n all)
and Im hoping for more Outbreak games.. because I love that online game. even tho they suck offline.
I heard a lot of stuff back in the days from many different type of people.. but something like THIS never....
How can you say the resident evil 1 remake got boring **** grapchis ? L.O.L. still beat the re4 graphics ANYTIME. still very good looking even compared to this 2008 games lol, that was a capodopera...
I think i will take slowly a good bye from you people cause i will get sick if i remain and read some of the peoples opinions...
maybe we live in a different world..
thezombiemessia
30-04-08, 17:59
This is the major problem Furious...you refuse to accept other people opinions to the degree that you laugh at them, claim they are wrong, and even go so far as to try and claim they are insane (different worlds).
The more you post, the happier i am that you will be getting banned soon...
I heard a lot of stuff back in the days from many different type of people.. but something like THIS never....
How can you say the resident evil 1 remake got boring **** grapchis ? L.O.L. still beat the re4 graphics ANYTIME. still very good looking even compared to this 2008 games lol, that was a capodopera...
RE Remake is bad because it was meant to be scary when it isnt scary. also its too dark, not colorful. and no sense of humor! if a game has such a boring design (like Gears of War) it HAS to have a sense of humor (like Gears of War) thats why Gears of War is so great even if its just like RE4 only RE4 has no sense of humor.
then there are games that arent funny, but end up being REALLY good like RE2 or Super Metroid. good soundtrack, and amazing bosses. yeah, and something extreeeeme in it. RE Online which I loved, I loved the later part of End of the Road and Eliminations and the Showdowns because they are colorful UNLIKE RE Remake, I hated the levels Wild Things and Flashback because they are BORING as sh*t LIKE RE Remake. what kept me playing were the online players, seriously.. fighting each other for 1 white pill while both viruses are over 90% is just funny. or a noob heals himself with F-Aid spray while the other 3 are also on danger when he could have healed 3 players at once.
I think its the humor that keeps me playing the game. hell I dont understand whats good about RE Remake, I have no idea whats fun about Assassins Creed, Bioshock is a game that got well rated BUT its also one of the worst and most boring games Ive ever played.
there, my taste in games.
we can at least both agree about one thing, RE4 sucks.
seth ranson
01-05-08, 00:34
And... why exactly do you like RE1, but not the remake?
Why the heck should it be funny? It s supposed to be scary, not funny.
You re so focused on humor. On weird humor, it seems, but if you like it....
By the way, I got an advice: adjust your TV! Then the RE remake won t be too dark. And about the color: maybe you should buy a color-TV.
Indeed, sems that you dont have a color tv or maybe your tv is just way to old for the quality.
Play that game on a hd tv and you will see then. ...anyway for me the remake was the most incredible game from capcom in 2003 both graphics and gameplay.
And thezombiemessia you take all the stuff here way to serious...that might be your only problem.
thezombiemessia
03-05-08, 11:07
And thezombiemessia you take all the stuff here way to serious...that might be your only problem.
Fine, ill admit that i take this forum and many others way too seriously...but this still doesnt account for why your attitude is annoying to more than just myself.
I mean, now you (and Seth) are saying that just because somebody doesnt like the game that you love...they obviously dont have the right TV.
NO. Perhaps they just dont like the bloody game. Is this so hard to understand??
Dont like it dont play it!
Hey, are you expecting all those who liked the old REs to shut up and just let their favourite series die like this?
I think we should at least try to make Capcom change RE back to normal (or at the very least remake RE2&3) even if that probably won t have much effect.
When it s released we sure can t change anything anymore.
By the way:
I, too, get annoyed of the rising number of anti-RE5 threads, we should decide on one, because I don t want to post everything three times or more.
Moan and cry all you like it dont bother me one iota.
My opinion is as valid as any ones.
If some one dose not like a game why play it ? Makes no sence.
I dont do stuff i dont like.
Thezombiemessia :) nice name...
well you missunderstand me mate, because my english you think that i dont accept other peoples ideas, of course i accept theyr ideas , opinions. and i respect that.
But i have the right to not agree with someones opinion right ?
And i repeat, dont take this so serious, its a forum were just talking here stuff.
I love you all like you were my childrens, i dont want to hurt anyone here, so relax mate :)
But i have the right to not agree with someones opinion right ?.
No ones knocking that as it works both ways
Indeed, sems that you dont have a color tv or maybe your tv is just way to old for the quality.
Play that game on a hd tv and you will see then.
and thats what I did, when the quality is really good in RE Remake & Zero the fog looks really crappy and you can see the textures in it. and the game is WAY too dark and not colorful at all, m8. mostly black+brown. oh, and it aint scary. if a scary game isnt scary, it isnt good.
seth ranson
06-05-08, 00:05
I mean, now you (and Seth) are saying that just because somebody doesnt like the game that you love...they obviously dont have the right TV.
NO. Perhaps they just dont like the bloody game. Is this so hard to understand??
Errr, well.
I actually just tried to be funny. Maybe I shouldn t have done that (seems you re really too serious; or am I that bad at being funny???).
But honestly, can t you adjust your TV, so that the game gets brighter? (I did that, because I hardly saw anything when it started up)
About the color: I think it would be less scary (or even funny, if you don t think that it s scary like this) if there were more colors. Like MegaMan or something.
About the fog: to be honest, I simply didn t notice that
And maybe it s just less scary, because you knew what would happen next, because you already played the original?
@Spike 74:
I am neither moaning nor am I crying. Plus, I don t want you to bother, Capcom should.
(by the way thanks to thezombiemessia for telling me that there s only one Capcom guy on this forum, didn t think about that before)
And you don t need to repeat yourself, I m not that stupid. (damn now I insulted myself..., oh wait I didn t want to be funny, so let s just go on)
I do like RE4 (in some way), but when I played it I was expecting something different.
What I don t like is that there won t be any new old REs (I know that sounds weird, but I m sure you understand what I mean).
To put it simple:
I want to do stuff I like.
And that s to play REs. The problem is that there will only be REs that are completely different from the old ones.
You know, if there was nobody saying this, Capcom would have to assume, that RE4 was the greatest thing ever, and RE5 or the following sequels will become like a Rambo game. Simply not buying these games (like thezombiemessia suggested) would be rather ineffective. Since Capcom would have to notice that (and I don t think there would be that many people not buying it to make it possible to notice) AND there would be new long-time fans of these Rambo like games who want their series to be continued.
Like I said dose not bother me one iota.
You have a right to a opinion as any one.
Some of it i agree with some I dont
Anyway the truth is that i realy cant wait the day till re5 relase, to play it, and of course i will play it and i know that the game will be a super nice long game, exactly as resident evil 4 was, re4 was a very amazing game compared to the other tipical loads of games.
But this i feel of course just in the action/shooter way the is at the moment as a game but still very bad for a resident evil title, im for the oldschool and i hope that they realy make this re5 or at last try to get it back to the survivor/horror , since this title reprezents the survivor horror it have to be a survivor horror cause if its not then its a very bad game for the title .
And changing , evolving dozent isnt an excuse for what they did with this new style of changing totaly the direction of the game from survivor horror into action/shooter with less ridless, and i still sugest for many peoples who love and like the much action in the game to instead go and buy an action titled game since resident evil dozent dezerve to get destroyed by action/shooter fans just cause they buy the game so capcom sells more copys. there are many who dont realy respect the origin meaning of the residnet evils survivor horror, and they think this game is changing at the moment in something much better cause the much action , but lets just say that a real fan of resident evil wish to hold this series the way they should be originaly going on, and that matters more then just geting money from more people who just dont realy care and like the way it is.
Difference ?
Hardcore resident evil player/fan like me or zombiemessia for example sufers if one resident evil title fu.ks up
But the one who dont realy care and like it the way it is just to have some fun next 15 hours of shooting peoples in big action.
so the difference is that one suffers and hes dream and hobby is fu.ked up when in the same time the other one dont give a fu.k.
Furious can stop swearing like a 13 year old please it getting annoying and your breaking forum rules by using it!!
Spike 74 why are you all boiled up ? and where did i swear ? ..dude you need to relax i know what your problem is mate, when you see me sayng that resident evil need to get back to survivor/horror from this action/shooter style then it realy makes you mad am i right ? well mate we are talking here about opinions so you dont need to get so boiled up for this minor reasons..lol
Anyway, back to topic ........
I agree that Resident Evil 4 dose need more survival horror, but I dont think changing the game back to what it was is a good idea. I mean auto-targeting anything off screen and be able to kill it - wheres the fun in that? What happens when the camera targets over Leons right shoulder is that the games trying to put you in the action, when that happens itll be a lot harder for the game to be classed as survival horror and branded more of an action game. It needs to get around this by making the actual game enviroment and music creepy instead of just the players target, and allow some atmosphere to build. This with a good story is what I expect from Resident Evil 5 (prehaps with a real time virus, though Im going to have to wait for that one)
Thats what i think aswell, the camera style is good but zombies, muzic and enviorments have to change dramaticaly back to survivor horror .
thezombiemessia
07-05-08, 20:20
where did i swear
fucks up...fucked up...fuck.
realy pisses you off
There ya go.
Moderators, please feel free to delete this post once everything is sorted out. Many apologies for quoting this, but it needed to be done.
On topic:
Im gunna kind of agree with Skeksis here...a change in environment and music would have probably made RE4 a better game that was closer to the roots of the series. However, i dont think it would have completely taken away the action element.
indeed but those words like the game fu.ks up i use cause i dont know what else i can use as a word instead of fu.k there...i told ya guys my english is bad and this is the way i can talk...
indeed but those words like the game fu.ks up i use cause i dont know what else i can use as a word instead of fu.k there...i told ya guys my english is bad and this is the way i can talk...
You must think people on here are stupid as you know full well you edited it that after i posted! Real mature!!
Young people use the forum and its not right for them to see you bad language even after you edited them.
You could use messed, spoiled , damaged.
Your english is good so stop making lame excuses.
I was discussing via PM with few other members about your language in the post before you decided to edit your post and act as if you had not edited it.
I edited it yes, but now realy ....is this your main problem evry day to watch my posts and wait the big moment for reporting or what ? as far as i know you are over 40 years old man...how can you waste your time for such a none sens stuff like this realy ?...lol
anyway this topic aint made for discutions like this, so lets just stop tlaking about stuff like this please, if you are so mad then i can give you an messenger id so you can blame me there but this post and this forum realy aint for such discutions.
thezombiemessia
08-05-08, 10:39
Then stop breaking the rules...if you stop breaking the rules, then topics will remain on topic.
And no, we dont sit around and just wait for you to do something to annoy us. You make it so easy to just flick through a thread and point out what you have done that all we need ever do is spend 10 minutes here.
This entire forum is for holding debates and discussing Capcom and various other things, it has rules set out because there are people under the age of 16 joining this forum. Myself, parjay, Spike 74, Clayonite, 777 and many others (whether we are all Moderators or not) stick to these rules, and still manage to hold quite furious debates and get our points across.
We are not ignorant or rude, and we do not throw swear words about every which way.
I edited it yes, but now realy ....is this your main problem evry day to watch my posts and wait the big moment for reporting or what ? as far as i know you are over 40 years old man...how can you waste your time for such a none sens stuff like this realy ?...lol
anyway this topic aint made for discutions like this, so lets just stop tlaking about stuff like this please, if you are so mad then i can give you an messenger id so you can blame me there but this post and this forum realy aint for such discutions.
I am 33 but thats not the point or nonsense, I have as much right to be here as you if not more right as I stick to the rules.
my oldest child who is 7 often sits at the side of me when I surf the net, he shoul not be subject to seeing your bad language which he would not see IF YOU STUCK TO THE RULES!
SORRY FOR BEING A CONCEREND PARENT!
Al right now calm down calm down and relax, i will watch my leanguage just lets stop this discution 4ever, sorry for the leanguage i used before.
seth ranson
09-05-08, 13:42
Like I said dose not bother me one iota.
You have a right to a opinion as any one.
Some of it i agree with some I dont
I know. And I said you wouldn t have to repeat yourself. You have said multiple times that you don t care about other people s opinions.
Why did you write this again?
Like I said dose not bother me one iota.
You have a right to a opinion as any one.
Some of it i agree with some I dont
I know. And I said you wouldn t have to repeat yourself. You have said multiple times that you don t care about other people s opinions.
Why did you write this again?
Felt like it.
Its not that I dont care just fed up up of peoples attitude like FURIUS who says people are idiots or retarded for not agreeing with opinion.
seth ranson
09-05-08, 17:52
That might seem a little picky but:
Like I said dose not bother me one iota.
That means you don t care, doesn t it?
And I did not call anyone an idiot, right? So there s no need to be fed up with me.
Hey spike dont judge my attitude if you fell retarded if i say about this new era of ACTION/SHOOTER FANS... cause that is the reality , and it is my opinion so where is the problem ?, im sory for you but all here can say theyr opinions. and my attitude is not as you think it is so only for you cause you feel very boiled up when you read what i say about this new shooter era playng peoples...
seth ranson
09-05-08, 18:08
???
I don t get it.
Spike74 didn t say anything against you since you last posted.
There is absolutely no reason to write that now.
I think you must have misunderstood something.
answer for seth ranson >
this is what Don spike said Its not that I dont care just fed up up of peoples attitude like FURIUS who says people are idiots or retarded for not agreeing with opinion.
and that there was my answer for hes message.
seth ranson
09-05-08, 18:52
I know what Spike 74 said. (now not only spike rewrites stuff, other people repeat it, too, argh)
Spike 74 just said the truth. You call people who buy games like Halo retarded. You can t deny that you said that.
This is getting really meaningless by the way. How about returning to topic?
Indeed lets return to topic :P
seth ranson
10-05-08, 18:35
I think most people even said somewhere that RE5 needs more survival horror than RE4. Did I get that right?
That s what I d want too (as you might be able to guess from my prior posts..).
Less action, more atmosphere.
thezombiemessia
10-05-08, 18:37
If Takeuchi sticks to what he originally said, then there will be more emphasis on Survival...I remember something along the lines of Fewer bullets, more enemies, more need for tactics etc...
So, 1 bullet, 20 enemies, 1 exploding barrel...shoot barrel, kill all enemies using only 1 shot.
Either that or run away and hope to find another route...
Member_of_STARS
11-05-08, 20:24
RE communities are mostly dead or dying. What happened? New style did.
Answer is obvious.
seth ranson
11-05-08, 20:41
After thinking a bit longer about it, it wouldn t be a bad idea to keep the old camera style.
The game looekd like a movie because of that. And it added some atmosphere too.
The only thing that would be annoying would be the slow controls. Isn t there any good solution for that one problem?
RE communities are mostly dead or dying. What happened? New style did.
Answer is obvious.
True
Resident Evi 4 many people say they dont like the game but yet it still sold extremely well.
Well if you think abit logic and clear, we/me loved resident evil the way it was, the way it was created made be a resident evil fan, the oldschool was what made fans fans and the oldschool was the original creation of resident evil, so if we think that way then there wouldnt be any reason to change the game so dramaticaly just cause we are in 2008 dozent mean we NEED to change !,....cause if you play resident evil you play it the way it is originaly and the way it made you a fan, if you dont like the style and if you are a shooter mindless maniac then you can play shooters wich means buy another game, that would be some kind of a reason to NOT change the game and continue it the original way it is.
The best example of not changing but evolving was the BIG difference from resident evil 3 (wich was oldschool) to >>> resident evil code veronica (wich was next gen that time) so the game style didnt changed nothing from the original, but it evolved ALOT and it was the perfect resident evil for evry re fan.
This of course changed when it changed into action/shooter/mindless/eazymode. and this time i realy talk serious and i dont care about other opinions cause this is the way i see this thing so who says that resident evil 4 was a very good resident evil and this is the way it have to be cause the game is evolving that kind of guys opinion i just cant accept in any way. but i cant change anyones mind aswell.
So if we look at the things this way then some way i have right in what i said.
Triple Seven
11-05-08, 23:48
If Takeuchi sticks to what he originally said, then there will be more emphasis on Survival...I remember something along the lines of Fewer bullets, more enemies, more need for tactics etc...
So, 1 bullet, 20 enemies, 1 exploding barrel...shoot barrel, kill all enemies using only 1 shot.
Either that or run away and hope to find another route...
The whole barrel shooting is ridiculous. In the end it is likely to be 7.021.000 bullets, 2.500.000 targets.
seth ranson
11-05-08, 23:52
Hopefully not. The least thing the staff could do was making the game more difficult than RE4.
And it s not difficult at all when you have that much ammo...
Barrel shooting doesn t make sense to me either. There s no real reason for explosives being just at the right place all the time.
Barrel shooting doesn t make sense to me either. There s no real reason for explosives being just at the right place all the time.
I think that was a really good idea for RE3.
anyway, I agree anything about that true RE fans dieing.
Ive been a big, TRUE Resident Evil fan all my life, all my child hood got into playing them, thinking about them, drawing things from those games. but right now after this whole RE4 thing I changed my nr.1 fav game series to Metroid.
Hopefully not. The least thing the staff could do was making the game more difficult than RE4.
And it s not difficult at all when you have that much ammo...
Barrel shooting doesn t make sense to me either. There s no real reason for explosives being just at the right place all the time.
In my opinion its difficult if your playing pro mode without the handcannon and other special weapons try too complete it without dying once im shure you will have problems too achieve this the problems starts when your at the point where the el gigante is after the team fight with louis by that time you have
not that much ammo im shure atleast in my experience .
So my point is you can make it as easy as you like but indeed fights like Nemisis outside the police station i remember where where pretty hard re4 doesnt reach that level indeed.
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Member_of_STARS
12-05-08, 11:07
The evolution of videogames has to bring us to a situation where, like TZM said- 1 bullet, 20 zombies. However, the result of that evolution is not the lucky barrel (which doesnt make sense in AFRICA). Its about being able to manipulate the world around you. Razing buildings (made of clay and donkeydung) onto your enemies. Locking baddies inside and setting the buildings on fire. Creating fire traps. Improvised explosives.
Even if many of these choices are scripted, making an illusion of interactionable world, its still a major step forward.
seth ranson
12-05-08, 17:04
These improvised explosives got me thinking about another thing:
In RE4 there were no weapons like a molotov cocktail which you had to collect and put together like there were in the previous REs.
By returning this the scripted events would be at least not reduced to only pressing A button next to something.
You had to use the correct item at the right place.
thezombiemessia
14-05-08, 09:13
The exploding barell was only an example that i came up with...not neccessarily something that will appear in the actual game.
It would certainly be interesting if you could lock enemies in a building and burn it down...or set traps like trip mines, etc.
To make this short.
People in 2008 want to play a game wich makes them WOOOWWWWW in 2008. wich is damn hard since to many ideas are consumed in other games alredy.
There will be none resident evil in the futhure wich makes you feel like in the old days with the old resident evils.
This short trailer from re5 explains evrything, you have to be blind to dont see it, or just the hope is to big in you to dont accept the idea that its a re4 expansion.
We will enjoy the next game yes, but we wount enjoy the next resident evil.
i hope some one understand the meaning of what i said..
seth ranson
15-05-08, 21:24
People in 2008 want to play a game wich makes them WOOOWWWWW in 2008.
That s right, so hurry up Capcom!
There will be none resident evil in the futhure wich makes you feel like in the old days with the old resident evils.
Let s hope you re wrong. I don t want to feel like driving a car (opposed to controling a human) again though.
I noticed another weird thing: I never saw any screenshots that show a scene at night. Did anyone spot some?
I try too follow the info thats going here on RE5 i think the game will be ace as for next gen RE game and i think after reading here they will pick up more leads from past RE games that will be only good for creating a RE feel i think im not negative im only getting more intrested
seth ranson
15-05-08, 21:58
i think after reading here they will pick up more leads from past RE games
That was my intention when I wrote my posts.
The only problem with that would be:
They will include more leads from past RE games IF they read here.
Do they read here?
i think after reading here they will pick up more leads from past RE games
That was my intention when I wrote my posts.
The only problem with that would be:
They will include more leads from past RE games IF they read here.
Do they read here?
Dunno as far as i now Mods and Admin reads here
But stating They will include more leads from the past IF they read here is a bit overconfident in my OP i dont agree but your devotion is admirable if im correct spelling this lol
seth ranson
16-05-08, 00:38
You re right, somehow I should have written might instead of will.
Was too concentrated on the if they read here part.
And you know, Mods and Admins don t necessarily have any influence on the production staff.
They wount read, and even if they read they dont give a f...
They make the game as they want and the only way they make the game is to sell more copys. so the number 1 thing in theyr mind is HOW to sell more not that what the other remaining oldschool re fans wish.
thezombiemessia
19-05-08, 09:12
They wount read, and even if they read they dont give a f...
They make the game as they want and the only way they make the game is to sell more copys. so the number 1 thing in theyr mind is HOW to sell more not that what the other remaining oldschool re fans wish.
And finally you are getting it. Capcom do not care about their fans...why should they? The oldschool re fans were a dieing breed.
I was starting to lose interest in the series, as it was starting to just repeat itself. Many others were to.
RE4 (as cliche as it is) brought in hundreds of new fans that are willing to give as much money to Capcom as they ask. You may not like it, and im not particularly happy with it...but just look at the way Capcom have been treating their franchises.
One of their next games (Bionic Cammdano or something like that) is completely different from the original version they released years and years ago...
Capcom are a business that wants and needs money to survive. They cannot rely on only the hardcore fans for their entire life...otherwise they will just slowly run out of money and dissappear.
Furious,
I completely understand everything youre saying and agree with every word. Its hard to explain to someone who doesnt understand. Either you get it, or you dont. Theres no middle. It would be like trying to explain to some guy that likes shitty teenage movies that theyre not that good. Its impossible. Different world.
If you consider games from 90s you mentioned earlier legendary, i can see what kind of gamer you are and what do you expect. We need more people who think like that in the industry, because this new school madness isnt going anywhere....
But, as and optimist, i see bright future. Industry is still very young and we will see some big changes...
Take care ;)
Member_of_STARS
20-05-08, 11:37
They wount read, and even if they read they dont give a f...
They make the game as they want and the only way they make the game is to sell more copys. so the number 1 thing in theyr mind is HOW to sell more not that what the other remaining oldschool re fans wish.
And finally you are getting it. Capcom do not care about their fans...why should they? The oldschool re fans were a dieing breed.
I was starting to lose interest in the series, as it was starting to just repeat itself. Many others were to.
That is a horrible, awful and weak excuse for CAPCOM. A videogamer should never use it.
Well, thats how the industry works. You cant satisfy everyone, and when you need to do changes in order to keep things fresh, youre bound to lose some fans. Also worth noticing that Bionic Commando is developed by Grin, so the art style and game mechanic are bound to be a bit different.
Member_of_STARS
21-05-08, 10:50
Well, thats how the industry works.
No, thats just the way the bad companies work.
I was starting to lose interest in the series, as it was starting to just repeat itself. Many others were to.
Im one of the few video game players that doesnt want any changes. just copy n paste the same thing and only create new levels is enough for me.
and RE4 and RE5 isnt just a next step, its just COMPLETELY different to the RE series I grew up with.
and kinda funny how I thought RE3 was a bad game when it came out after the other 2. I hated it as you couldnt play a male character (only a gay-looking one which I hated) and boring zombie design and too much outside the whole game. but those changes were really nothing compared to RE4.
chrisredfield22
26-05-08, 13:15
I think that Re 4 and 5 gameplay is good a new take on the series yes but after 5 is made and in the shops i would like to see capcom make an Re 2 remake for the ps3 same old school gameplay but with modern next gen graphics in hd and some extra areas like Re remake had and an online mode then Re outbreak file 3 for ps3 only that would be sweet;)
Well, thats how the industry works.
No, thats just the way the bad companies work.
Alright. Mention some other games that have successfully used the same game mechanic over 10 years. The Sims? EA sport games? Game genres tends to evolve, or else they die. Just look at Pointn Clikers.
seth ranson
26-05-08, 17:56
Well, thats how the industry works.
No, thats just the way the bad companies work.
Alright. Mention some other games that have successfully used the same game mechanic over 10 years. The Sims? EA sport games? Game genres tends to evolve, or else they die. Just look at Pointn Clikers.
Hey, Megaman isn t really dead either.
Only half-dead. A zombie so to say...
Can robots even become zombies?
Member_of_STARS
26-05-08, 22:00
Well, thats how the industry works.
No, thats just the way the bad companies work.
Alright. Mention some other games that have successfully used the same game mechanic over 10 years. The Sims? EA sport games? Game genres tends to evolve, or else they die. Just look at Pointn Clikers.
Youre trying to excuse CRAPCOMs absolute incompetence in dealing with changing times and (in the same time) stagnating product. The absolute worst one can do is introduce structural revolution of sorts, where a product which is obviously too old to compete on the market, is being completely remade, while leaving the brand name the same. Imagine if people grew tired from Coca Cola, and the execs went into milk industry, while keeping the name of the product.
Coca Cola, the chocolate milk?!
A great company finds their place on the market, and starts exploiting it, evolving with times, and evolving the times if opportunity presents itsself. Games like Battlefield, made by DICE, published mostly by EA- its a game where you can drive and shoot anything on the battlefield- vehicles, planes, all variations of infantry. Ever since the first game got out, they have steadily always been improving their games while keeping the same core elements intact. Today, theres not a single game that can challenge them, and fans who were with BF1942, are going to be fans when BF3 comes out in 2009-2010. Theres a number of games, like Half Life franchise for example. Im more involved with FPS and RTS games, but Im sure people with other tastes can show you similar examples, of an evolving franchise with the same old core mechanics. You dont need to revolutionise anything, if youre smart enough. CAPCOM doesnt care about their fans, hence the sucktastic RE4 and RE5.
Oh, forgot- MGS series would be an example aswell.
thezombiemessia
26-05-08, 22:48
Again i am failing to see how people are able to judge RE5...i mean, am i the only one that hasnt played a copy of it yet?
I swear it hasnt been released yet...but people are either telling me that it sucks, or that it is amazing.
Seriously...either you guys need to go in to the psychic business (youd make a lot of money, and be able to stop a lot of world trgedies), or you need to get your heads out of your arses and stop judging before experiencing.
Well, thats how the industry works.
No, thats just the way the bad companies work.
Alright. Mention some other games that have successfully used the same game mechanic over 10 years. The Sims? EA sport games? Game genres tends to evolve, or else they die. Just look at Pointn Clikers.
Youre trying to excuse CRAPCOMs absolute incompetence in dealing with changing times and (in the same time) stagnating product. The absolute worst one can do is introduce structural revolution of sorts, where a product which is obviously too old to compete on the market, is being completely remade, while leaving the brand name the same. Imagine if people grew tired from Coca Cola, and the execs went into milk industry, while keeping the name of the product.
Coca Cola, the chocolate milk?!
A great company finds their place on the market, and starts exploiting it, evolving with times, and evolving the times if opportunity presents itsself. Games like Battlefield, made by DICE, published mostly by EA- its a game where you can drive and shoot anything on the battlefield- vehicles, planes, all variations of infantry. Ever since the first game got out, they have steadily always been improving their games while keeping the same core elements intact. Today, theres not a single game that can challenge them, and fans who were with BF1942, are going to be fans when BF3 comes out in 2009-2010. Theres a number of games, like Half Life franchise for example. Im more involved with FPS and RTS games, but Im sure people with other tastes can show you similar examples, of an evolving franchise with the same old core mechanics. You dont need to revolutionise anything, if youre smart enough. CAPCOM doesnt care about their fans, hence the sucktastic RE4 and RE5.
Oh, forgot- MGS series would be an example aswell.
metal gear has changed to move with the times. Its changed heck of a lot since the MSX incarnation.
I agree with TZM how can you jump to this conclusion as its not out?.
Member_of_STARS
27-05-08, 12:49
Metal Gear Solid 3 is no different than Metal Gear Solid. If you look at the three games, the core gameplay mechanics have stayed the same, storytelling has stayed the same, and the story is in constant and flawless continuation. Youve obviously missed the point. Its EVOlution versus REVOlution. In one example, gamemakers are moving ahead with the times, adjusting and adapting their games with it, while keeping the core values intact. In the other examole, developers run their game into dust and then completely restructurize it in order to save whats worth saving. I suggest you re-read my post and attempt to get the general jist of it.
TZM, I was right about RE4, and from the information were being given right now, RE5 will be a closer RE4 clone than people have feared. The whole You havent played it, you dont know doesnt hold any water, if videogamers today have enough information and experience to come up with a conclusion. Its not exactly judging a book by its covers anymore.
Thats funny, I was a massive Battlefield 1942 fan, and I think Id love nothing more than to avoid anything new in the Battlefield series. BF2, BF:Vietnam, BF: Heroes, BF: Future (Dont remember the year value.) were all mass letdowns, and showed that change for the sake of change is not always a guarantee of a good sequel. However, like Resident Evil 5, Id be willing to try Battlefield: Bad Company if only just to give it a chance.
Which brings me to the Resident Evil new vs old argument.
A game series that started out as an atmospheric new genre called Survival Horror (which at a time on the PS1 where retooled SNES games like International Superstar Soccer and Final DooM and new skool 3d CD games like Tekken, Warhawk, Blam! Machinehead, Kileak the Blood and Crazy Ivan [to name but a few.] were on the market was an incredibly new concept!) which helped to skyrocket the PS1s credibility as the dominant platform along with the other big title of the year Tomb Raider. Fast Forward a few years, the PS2 is out, and Resident Evil is Capcoms biggest franchise worldwide, we see Resident Evil Code Veronica, Outbreak, Survivor, Gaiden, and the many sequels and offshoots. But theres a problem, sales are lowering.....Capcom wonder why.
It couldnt be anything to do with the fact that there was around a four year wait after CVX on the PS2 for an actual Resident Evil sequel, instead of the million and one offshoots that were being released in between 3 and 4. I think people got tired of Capcoms constant marketing barrage of almost annual poor-quality turds that bore the Resident Evil name. Rather than blame themselves for their failings with marketing and deployment with regards Outbreak and its sequel, and for actually releasing the unbridled piece of raw sewerage that is Gaiden, they instead blamed the fans, as Capcom always do, and decided they needed a new direction for the series.
Resident Evil 4, as a concept, was looking originally to be an updated, fresh spin on the Survival Horror series, it contained classic corridor roaming against what seemed to be semi-static backdrops akin to REmake, with classic exploration and atmosphere. The ghost zombie thing aside for a moment, what we saw of Resi 4 at that point in time was a logical direction for Survival Horror to go, and as a result Resident Evil.
That was not to be.
What we did get was a Hollywood action movie that was created in a typically Japanese style, that lacked depth, atmosphere, suspense and peril. Sure, when our mate with the Chainsaw came bounding towards us, it was initially a scary sight- until you realised that you could keep him very lamely pinned to the ground until dead(er). The only thing classic Resi I could find about the game were some of the boss fights.....and even then, many of them were plot device driven, rather than actually havuing anything to do with the Resident Evil story.
Part of what endeared Resident Evil as a series to us was the feeling of suspense and peril it put you in .....the first game dealt with the unknown, and was almost Murder Mystery in its atmosphere and tension.....finding a whos who of friends and comrades dead didnt help either. The second and third games gave a sense of a grander scale knowing that you are alone, and have to escape a city where almost the entire population have been wiped out, and resurrected as a flesh eating wall of death and this was replicated well in Outbreak and its sequel also. Resi 4 on the other hand changed the format so that your character was a near unstoppable killing machine that could not only move faster, aim better, roll further, keep his hair straighter and shoot a flea off the back of a cow at a mile away, but could go through almost the entire adventure without performing any real amount of puzzles- it almost classic DooM in its formatting at times, with its emphasis on exploring areas to the full to grab a key(card) only to discover the key may not be so easy to get to when a boss or assortment of nasties appear near you to ruin your day. At least, this is how it would appear if you werent playing as the bastard child of Chuck Norris, and didnt have the entire arsenal of Cuba in your Attach‚ case.
Resident Evil used to be about surviving, and getting to the end against all odds- now it would appear its about racking up the most amount of headshots and pleasing your weapon vendor with loads of gold hell never be able to use on account of him and all his random brothers *SPOILER!!* blowing up at the end */END OF SPOILER!!!* which in the current climate of video gamers, in the increasingly Gears of War gaming market of machismo, bravado and pure muscle, Capcom have decided to appeal to a wider action market, and it seems to have worked. Good for them business wise. Bad for those of us that have been left mourning the loss of another genre, ironically the genre that Capcom created. (Left for Dead being an obvious and glaring exception to my dispair.)
The thing is, with any franchise there is hype, and there is expectation.....but while companies like Konami have took Metal Gear and left us fans wanting more and more, and only deliver when theres a quality product to deliver Capcom would attempt to sell you a Resident Evil Lunchbox just to potentially up their profit margins by that crucial 0.1%. Its just the way they are, games arent an artform to them, theyre a product, and thats just good business. Thats the EA business model, thats the THQ business model, and it works. For them.
As a gamer, I see whats going on right now, and its interesting from other companies, Epic are working on a console Unreal Tournament 3, Square are working on Final Fantasy XIII and most of all Im waiting with baited breath for a sequel to my favourite gaming franchise with excitement in MGS4, because I know they;ve made the effort to try and keep us as fans, I know theyre going to make us a great game that we can be proud to play. Resident Evil 5 should be up there also, and yes, it is probably a game Ill buy, but itll be trepidation, not excitement that will be gripping me come launch time, and thats sad.
I wonder now why it is that Capcom felt the need to change the series entirely when other franchises out there like Metal Gear Solid have been using the same genre and the same style of gameplay all this time.....
Theres no reason why the New Skool Resident Evil direction couldnt have been as good as the Old Skool as far as Resident Evil 4 goes, but it just isnt- its not why we got into Resi in the beginning, and its not what I want in my survival horrors- if I wanted Action, I could go for Gears, or one of the millions of FPS games out there- if I want suspense, it would seem Im now restricted to turning to Silent Hill 5 and Left 4 Dead for my horror thrills.
That is not to say that Resi 5 is going to be a bad game, thatd be a little presumptious considering weve seen a trailer and a few screens; its just to say that it doesnt feel like its Resident Evil, and itll have to convince me to buy it, rather than I buying it on merit like I would have done if it was Survival Horror and not Action. It needs to prove itself to me; and thats the saddest point of all- Resident Evil, once the patriarch of an entire genre and a cornerstone of my games buying habits, has to rejustify its place in my games collection.
thezombiemessia
27-05-08, 14:12
That is not to say that Resi 5 is going to be a bad game, thatd be a little presumptious considering weve seen a trailer and a few screens; its just to say that it doesnt feel like its Resident Evil, and itll have to convince me to buy it, rather than I buying it on merit like I would have done if it was Survival Horror and not Action. It needs to prove itself to me; and thats the saddest point of all- Resident Evil, once the patriarch of an entire genre and a cornerstone of my games buying habits, has to rejustify its place in my games collection.
That was a long read, but well worth it in the end. A well thought out response to this entire topic if i may say so.
The final bit (which i have quoted above) is by far the best bit. I agree fully with what you have said.
Yes, RE4 wasnt a great RE game (but still a good game nonetheless), but this does not mean that we can automatically slap the same lable on RE5. Obviously RE5 will take elements of RE4, otherwise Capcom would just be being stupid to not do so. But this has little effect on how RE5 will eventually turn out...at least for the moment.
Compare RE1 to RE2 and you can see that RE2 is completely different from the first game, just it shares the same elements.
I am hoping that RE5 will do the same. It may share some elements of RE4, but will hopefully not just be a clone.
As i have always said though...if RE5 is just a clone of RE4, then it will be the last RE game i buy in the new series.
Member_of_STARS
27-05-08, 14:53
Thats funny, I was a massive Battlefield 1942 fan, and I think Id love nothing more than to avoid anything new in the Battlefield series. BF2, BF:Vietnam, BF: Heroes, BF: Future (Dont remember the year value.) were all mass letdowns, and showed that change for the sake of change is not always a guarantee of a good sequel. However, like Resident Evil 5, Id be willing to try Battlefield: Bad Company if only just to give it a chance.
Trust me when Ill tell you this- youre a very small minority. Im a part ofone of (if not the) the biggest Battlefield website in the world, and I see this on a daily basis. The way BF franchise panned out, is similar to the way MGS franchise pans out. They release a major title, and inbetween each major title, they release a number of smaller ones, either to keep the company afloat, or to keep their intellectual and entertaining spirit alive. BF1942 was the major title, Vietnam was the little one inbetween, then came BF2 which skyrocketed BF franchise even more, then came BF2142, and now well have Battlefield 3. Bad Company is a console product with console audience specifically in mind. Its also somesort of a test ground for the new engine they have, which they will use for Battlefield 3. And yes, while DICE is indeed nowadays raped by Electronic Arts, and have to release half finished products and leave patching and support, they are still the leaders of the market because the games they release are just that damn good, and that damn much better than the competitions.
I wonder now why it is that Capcom felt the need to change the series entirely when other franchises out there like Metal Gear Solid have been using the same genre and the same style of gameplay all this time.....
I can answer this question, because its very simple. Theres a distinctive difference between the executives, and the people actually working on the game. Part of the reason why MGS is so damn good, is because the whole process is under strict and unflinching control of Kojima. Not Konamis financial experts, but Kojima. If you look at Resident Evil games, titles differ from each other by producers, directors and even staff! By all intents and purposes, Resident Evil became a mass commodity, a cheap product, ever since after Resident Evil 3, at which point it started exploring other markets. The way publishers and financeurs have a huge say in the process, you can expect a mocca capuccino turn into lousy second hand tea, if the people with cash think its going to rack up more. People are completely forgetting how much a loyal market means and how noone should leave them left stranded. This is evident in the businessmodel of Vivendi Universal, Electronic Arts and Ubisoft. Ubisoft tops everyone though. They would kill an entire fanbase and an entire franchise, if they got profit from it, and they do it.
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The evolution in RE franchise got us to Resident Evil 3.5. Im glad Im not the only one here who thinks its the way hings should have been done. Im not fond of the hookman ghost thing, but since it was all simply an illusion from the infection from the progenitor virus, I could have lived with it. Thing is, it was obviously developed with best Resident Evil intentions and traditions in mind. Would you imagine the eerie feeling while running through that zeppelin platform? Holy soiled panties, Batman!
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I for one will leave my right to presume that Resident Evil 5 will be Resident Evil 4 clone and will have absolutely nothing to offer to the diehard fans. Theres a lot more than just a few screens and a trailer. Information has been released, in bits and pieces, but the picture is clear. CAPCOM offers what the XBOX360-esque gaming community wants. Train has left.
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Good post though, I enjoyed reading it.
Metal Gear Solid 3 is no different than Metal Gear Solid. If you look at the three games, the core gameplay mechanics have stayed the same, storytelling has stayed the same, and the story is in constant and flawless continuation. Youve obviously missed the point. Its EVOlution versus REVOlution. In one example, gamemakers are moving ahead with the times, adjusting and adapting their games with it, while keeping the core values intact. In the other examole, developers run their game into dust and then completely restructurize it in order to save whats worth saving. I suggest you re-read my post and attempt to get the general jist of it.
TZM, I was right about RE4, and from the information were being given right now, RE5 will be a closer RE4 clone than people have feared. The whole You havent played it, you dont know doesnt hold any water, if videogamers today have enough information and experience to come up with a conclusion. Its not exactly judging a book by its covers anymore.
I was not referring to the Playstation Metal Gear. I was referring to its predecessors on the MSX and *Nes/Snes* cant remember which it was on Nes or Snes. The PS1 version was revolution then the PS2 and Ps3 versions are evolution of the PS1 version.
Read my post and you will see I referd to pre playstation versions
Member_of_STARS
27-05-08, 18:45
I had no clue what the hell MSX was. I was thinking there was something off as MSX is a popular cheat site. Heh.
As for MGS changing with the revolution in console capabilities- well, duh! You cant expect little changes if the possibilities of the console are tremendously expanded. Frankly, I think its a poor counterargument.
thezombiemessia
27-05-08, 19:01
He was on about the revolution of MSX to MGS, then the evolution from MGS1 to MGS4...and hes kinda right.
But a better example would have been the Final Fantasy series or the Zelda series...both series have changed quite dramatically over the years...
Thats funny, I was a massive Battlefield 1942 fan, and I think Id love nothing more than to avoid anything new in the Battlefield series. BF2, BF:Vietnam, BF: Heroes, BF: Future (Dont remember the year value.) were all mass letdowns, and showed that change for the sake of change is not always a guarantee of a good sequel. However, like Resident Evil 5, Id be willing to try Battlefield: Bad Company if only just to give it a chance.
Which brings me to the Resident Evil new vs old argument.
A game series that started out as an atmospheric new genre called Survival Horror (which at a time on the PS1 where retooled SNES games like International Superstar Soccer and Final DooM and new skool 3d CD games like Tekken, Warhawk, Blam! Machinehead, Kileak the Blood and Crazy Ivan [to name but a few.] were on the market was an incredibly new concept!) which helped to skyrocket the PS1s credibility as the dominant platform along with the other big title of the year Tomb Raider. Fast Forward a few years, the PS2 is out, and Resident Evil is Capcoms biggest franchise worldwide, we see Resident Evil Code Veronica, Outbreak, Survivor, Gaiden, and the many sequels and offshoots. But theres a problem, sales are lowering.....Capcom wonder why.
It couldnt be anything to do with the fact that there was around a four year wait after CVX on the PS2 for an actual Resident Evil sequel, instead of the million and one offshoots that were being released in between 3 and 4. I think people got tired of Capcoms constant marketing barrage of almost annual poor-quality turds that bore the Resident Evil name. Rather than blame themselves for their failings with marketing and deployment with regards Outbreak and its sequel, and for actually releasing the unbridled piece of raw sewerage that is Gaiden, they instead blamed the fans, as Capcom always do, and decided they needed a new direction for the series.
Resident Evil 4, as a concept, was looking originally to be an updated, fresh spin on the Survival Horror series, it contained classic corridor roaming against what seemed to be semi-static backdrops akin to REmake, with classic exploration and atmosphere. The ghost zombie thing aside for a moment, what we saw of Resi 4 at that point in time was a logical direction for Survival Horror to go, and as a result Resident Evil.
That was not to be.
What we did get was a Hollywood action movie that was created in a typically Japanese style, that lacked depth, atmosphere, suspense and peril. Sure, when our mate with the Chainsaw came bounding towards us, it was initially a scary sight- until you realised that you could keep him very lamely pinned to the ground until dead(er). The only thing classic Resi I could find about the game were some of the boss fights.....and even then, many of them were plot device driven, rather than actually havuing anything to do with the Resident Evil story.
Part of what endeared Resident Evil as a series to us was the feeling of suspense and peril it put you in .....the first game dealt with the unknown, and was almost Murder Mystery in its atmosphere and tension.....finding a whos who of friends and comrades dead didnt help either. The second and third games gave a sense of a grander scale knowing that you are alone, and have to escape a city where almost the entire population have been wiped out, and resurrected as a flesh eating wall of death and this was replicated well in Outbreak and its sequel also. Resi 4 on the other hand changed the format so that your character was a near unstoppable killing machine that could not only move faster, aim better, roll further, keep his hair straighter and shoot a flea off the back of a cow at a mile away, but could go through almost the entire adventure without performing any real amount of puzzles- it almost classic DooM in its formatting at times, with its emphasis on exploring areas to the full to grab a key(card) only to discover the key may not be so easy to get to when a boss or assortment of nasties appear near you to ruin your day. At least, this is how it would appear if you werent playing as the bastard child of Chuck Norris, and didnt have the entire arsenal of Cuba in your Attach‚ case.
Resident Evil used to be about surviving, and getting to the end against all odds- now it would appear its about racking up the most amount of headshots and pleasing your weapon vendor with loads of gold hell never be able to use on account of him and all his random brothers *SPOILER!!* blowing up at the end */END OF SPOILER!!!* which in the current climate of video gamers, in the increasingly Gears of War gaming market of machismo, bravado and pure muscle, Capcom have decided to appeal to a wider action market, and it seems to have worked. Good for them business wise. Bad for those of us that have been left mourning the loss of another genre, ironically the genre that Capcom created. (Left for Dead being an obvious and glaring exception to my dispair.)
The thing is, with any franchise there is hype, and there is expectation.....but while companies like Konami have took Metal Gear and left us fans wanting more and more, and only deliver when theres a quality product to deliver Capcom would attempt to sell you a Resident Evil Lunchbox just to potentially up their profit margins by that crucial 0.1%. Its just the way they are, games arent an artform to them, theyre a product, and thats just good business. Thats the EA business model, thats the THQ business model, and it works. For them.
As a gamer, I see whats going on right now, and its interesting from other companies, Epic are working on a console Unreal Tournament 3, Square are working on Final Fantasy XIII and most of all Im waiting with baited breath for a sequel to my favourite gaming franchise with excitement in MGS4, because I know they;ve made the effort to try and keep us as fans, I know theyre going to make us a great game that we can be proud to play. Resident Evil 5 should be up there also, and yes, it is probably a game Ill buy, but itll be trepidation, not excitement that will be gripping me come launch time, and thats sad.
I wonder now why it is that Capcom felt the need to change the series entirely when other franchises out there like Metal Gear Solid have been using the same genre and the same style of gameplay all this time.....
Theres no reason why the New Skool Resident Evil direction couldnt have been as good as the Old Skool as far as Resident Evil 4 goes, but it just isnt- its not why we got into Resi in the beginning, and its not what I want in my survival horrors- if I wanted Action, I could go for Gears, or one of the millions of FPS games out there- if I want suspense, it would seem Im now restricted to turning to Silent Hill 5 and Left 4 Dead for my horror thrills.
That is not to say that Resi 5 is going to be a bad game, thatd be a little presumptious considering weve seen a trailer and a few screens; its just to say that it doesnt feel like its Resident Evil, and itll have to convince me to buy it, rather than I buying it on merit like I would have done if it was Survival Horror and not Action. It needs to prove itself to me; and thats the saddest point of all- Resident Evil, once the patriarch of an entire genre and a cornerstone of my games buying habits, has to rejustify its place in my games collection.
Why do you make us read so much??? Why?
He was on about the revolution of MSX to MGS, then the evolution from MGS1 to MGS4...and hes kinda right.
But a better example would have been the Final Fantasy series or the Zelda series...both series have changed quite dramatically over the years...
Id say both for the better, in those cases though. Dont get me wrong, I love the older Zeldas and Final Fantasies, as they have the better sprites and, sometimes, better bosses. Actually, in the Zelda games, would you really say that theyve changed that much? The major difference is obviously the graphics, but otherwise not a great change. Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass are hugely different, yes, but the others:
Collect a usable item from each dungeon
Collect a medallion etc from each dungeon
Go through towns with similar names
Meet the same races (gorons, zoras etc)
Save Zelda
Each story has a connection with the triforce of power, wisdom and courage.
Im not really arguing, by the way, just making a discussion.
thezombiemessia
27-05-08, 19:25
Why do you make us read so much??? Why?
He isnt forcing you to read his posts. Again, if you dont want to read it, dont.
As for Zelda, id say that although the basic layout has changed, certain things have dramatically changed over the years.
Larger amounts of enemies, a more action oriented approach, the lack of RPG elements over time, the inclusion of multiplayer (along with the fact that you have to play it multiplayer to actually play it, etc).
Yes the changes are minor compared to RE4, and minor compared to the changes throughout the FF series...but they are still there.
Also, not every game has the inclusion of the Triforce :P
Member_of_STARS
27-05-08, 19:37
He was on about the revolution of MSX to MGS, then the evolution from MGS1 to MGS4...and hes kinda right.
You cant compare the change from MG to MGS and MGS to MGS4. They are completely different in all aspects. For one, like I tried to explain, the change from MG to MGS was mostly because of huge hardware/platform change. Its not that the games changed in order to appease a larger audience, it was a technological breakthrough. Metal Gear franchise didnt change for changes sake, and if youve played the games on NES, you can actually see similarities. Kojimas style is still there. What PS did, it allowed the developers to finally unleash their creative potential.
I dont think its a fair argument, to use NES and SNES as an example of good revolution, because were basically talking about the prehistoric gaming and time after that.
But a better example would have been the Final Fantasy series or the Zelda series...both series have changed quite dramatically over the years...
Changes withing Zelda franchise arent really nearly as drastic as changes in RE -> RE4.
And why are you people thinking that Im saying change is bad?! Ive stressed it enough- subtle change, evolution without compromising core values, thats always good. Nobody likes to play the same games under different names. But revolutionary change is bad. Sometimes, actually quite often, developers literally kill their series off by stagnating them, and then the revolutionize them. In these cases, the change itsself is NOT a positive sight, but rather the disability to keep the games modern, is a negative one. You dont save a franchise by changing it, you just dont let it get bad.
thezombiemessia
27-05-08, 19:45
Im not assuming that you are saying change is bad, im just giving examples of a company that has, over time, drastically changed their franchise to appease a new audience.
Some parts of the FF series nobody liked, so SE have changed them back and forth over time to get to where they are now.
There is nothing to say that Capcom wont follow suit. It may take a while, or it may happen in RE5...but drastic changes are not always permanent.
prehistoric gaming lol thats a new one.
Its classic gaming at its best.
MSX is a old console which metal Gear first apeard on and yes it has been a revolutionary step forward in every way since the first incarnation .
Resi IMO needed more evolution but maybe not as much as 4 had.
From Resi 1 on PS1 to Resi 5 on PS3 & 360 is a bigger of a platform change and power available than MSX to Snes to ps1 so we will see games taking bigger evolution steps
Yes the distinctive Kajomi (spelling) has always been thier but it was revolution from MSX to snes in a lesser revolution step but more than evolution snes to ps1 then evolution from ps1 onwards.
Member_of_STARS
27-05-08, 21:15
prehistoric gaming lol thats a new one.
Its classic gaming at its best.
Classic is just a fancy word. From a technological standpoint, the so called classic is by all means and standards, prehistoric. The jump from NES to PSX is a hell of a lot greater, than the jump over two consoles, from PSX to PS3. Mainly, because the PSX or its equivalents enabled us to play entire new genres. From that point on, what we really have achieved, is only improved physics and graphics, but nowhere near as revolutionary, as the step from classic consoles, to modern ones. Im sure tech savvy people can give you a more appropriate example regarding 8080 chips and the newer types.
Resi IMO needed more evolution but maybe not as much as 4 had.
We almost had it- with RE3.5
From Resi 1 on PS1 to Resi 5 on PS3 & 360 is a bigger of a platform change and power available than MSX to Snes to ps1 so we will see games taking bigger evolution steps
Not true at all. In a simplistic and pictorial example-
The change from Battle City to Twisted Metal, from a technological standpoint, is far greater, than the change from DooM to Killzone 2.
Yes the distinctive Kajomi (spelling) has always been thier but it was revolution from MSX to snes in a lesser revolution step but more than evolution snes to ps1 then evolution from ps1 onwards.
Youve said it 3 times now, and have never properly argumented it. How exactly is it so? How is the technological breakthrough from 8 and 16 bit consoles into modern consoles a lesser achievement, than basically improvement in graphics and physics through refining the same old technology?
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TZM- if a game developer has to fall as low as start with swing and miss method to nail its fanbase, they are amateurs. The complete overhaul is never good, unless youve sunk your franchise into mud beforehand.
Blinking eck, I stopped keeping up with this thread, and I think it would take me all week to catch up again! But Ill just say that Both systems have advantages and disadvantages, and if a compromise could be made, then it would really work.
-Maybe have moving cameras like in the re4 beta, hence getting the B movie feeling, without the rigid feel to it. This would then require either auto aiming, or a camera change for when aiming
-Freedom is good, in doses. So you need the feeling of freedom, Re4 almost gave you this, in a hamster cage sort of ways. I.e It was 3d but still linear. If There was a little less linearness to it, then It would be much better. However it doesnt require Sandbox type freedom, just a bit of choice.
-You need to find guns rather then buy them from the comic relief. Buying guns is not good. It just makes it feel like an action game, if you have to search an area to find ammo and weapons than it adds risk, especially if you dont know if there are gonna be guns, and if there are zombies/things you may have to waste health and ammo to get the reward, which may not be real, or may be more or less then what you lose. It adds more risk to it, and strategy
-Less cliche characters. Ok, the classic characters werent cliche free, but they were much better then leon and ashley!
-Lots and lots of enemies, with no where near enough ammo to take out all of them. So you could risk losing all of your ammo on one bit, but you dont know where your going to get your next lot from, so you may be stranded unarmed in the next area, so you have to think ahead to avoid this. To make this work, enemies cannot drop weapons, as there should be no reward for killing them rather then finding another way, unless they are blocking a way to something.
Just my thoughts at the moment.
Why do you make us read so much??? Why?
He isnt forcing you to read his posts. Again, if you dont want to read it, dont.
As for Zelda, id say that although the basic layout has changed, certain things have dramatically changed over the years.
Larger amounts of enemies, a more action oriented approach, the lack of RPG elements over time, the inclusion of multiplayer (along with the fact that you have to play it multiplayer to actually play it, etc).
Yes the changes are minor compared to RE4, and minor compared to the changes throughout the FF series...but they are still there.
Also, not every game has the inclusion of the Triforce :P
...maybe not. I dont think Minish Cap has the triforce. I would say that Twiliight Princess has quite a bit of RPG-ness in it. You can see that it tried to include a story line and likeable characters. When compared to the very first Zelda, Id say that it is more of an RPG. As for the multiplayer...bad direction imo. It might be good online though.
prehistoric gaming lol thats a new one.
Its classic gaming at its best.
Classic is just a fancy word. From a technological standpoint, the so called classic is by all means and standards, prehistoric. The jump from NES to PSX is a hell of a lot greater, than the jump over two consoles, from PSX to PS3. Mainly, because the PSX or its equivalents enabled us to play entire new genres. From that point on, what we really have achieved, is only improved physics and graphics, but nowhere near as revolutionary, as the step from classic consoles, to modern ones. Im sure tech savvy people can give you a more appropriate example regarding 8080 chips and the newer types.
Resi IMO needed more evolution but maybe not as much as 4 had.
We almost had it- with RE3.5
From Resi 1 on PS1 to Resi 5 on PS3 & 360 is a bigger of a platform change and power available than MSX to Snes to ps1 so we will see games taking bigger evolution steps
Not true at all. In a simplistic and pictorial example-
The change from Battle City to Twisted Metal, from a technological standpoint, is far greater, than the change from DooM to Killzone 2.
Yes the distinctive Kajomi (spelling) has always been thier but it was revolution from MSX to snes in a lesser revolution step but more than evolution snes to ps1 then evolution from ps1 onwards.
Youve said it 3 times now, and have never properly argumented it. How exactly is it so? How is the technological breakthrough from 8 and 16 bit consoles into modern consoles a lesser achievement, than basically improvement in graphics and physics through refining the same old technology?
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TZM- if a game developer has to fall as low as start with swing and miss method to nail its fanbase, they are amateurs. The complete overhaul is never good, unless youve sunk your franchise into mud beforehand.
You said the tech jump from Snes to PSX was greater but metal gear jump was not.
Recently playing both MSX and Snes versions then playing the the PS1 version you can see and feel the revolution jump by just playing them.
MGS1 was the main revolution in the metal gear games that it set a benchmark for the series
So I will agree to disagree on that one.
I still think the tech jump from ps1 to ps3 is greater as what the ps3 can do so far has only scratched the surface, it just to expensive and difficult to program for at the moment but it will come as when developers understand the hardware more and when its more cost effective.
Member_of_STARS
28-05-08, 00:25
You said the tech jump from Snes to PSX was greater but metal gear jump was not.
LOLWAFFLE! But I did say it was! The technological advancement from SNES/NES to PSX and from MG to MGS was far greater than from PSX to PS3, where the only improvement was graphics and physics!
Recently playing both MSX and Snes versions then playing the the PS1 version you can see and feel the revolution jump by just playing them.
Exactly what Ive been saying.
MGS1 was the main revolution in the metal gear games that it set a benchmark for the series
So I will agree to disagree on that one.
No. You agree to agree, because you dont even know what youre talking about yourself. (Boy the smileys suck here, I sure could need a LOL one)
I still think the tech jump from ps1 to ps3 is greater as what the ps3 can do so far has only scratched the surface, it just to expensive and difficult to program for at the moment but it will come as when developers understand the hardware more and when its more cost effective.
It doesnt matter what you think. Facts matter, the technological jump from classic consoles to modern ones is greater than from PSX equivalents to the next gen ones. The reason is in the new possibilities developed, the broadened horizons. The fact that it takes more money to make games today, than it used to, has no bearing. Its precisely because of these new broadened horizons that we get to use these expensive technologies in the first place!
The technological jump from PSX to PS3 is basically a series of upgrades in visuals, in simpliest and rudimentary terms- were talking about more eyecandy. Thats it.
The technological jump from NES to PSX was like the introduction of Me-262, the first jet.
Were not just talking about the colossal difference in hardware power, were talking about the freedom to make games that change the videogames world as we know it. In that respect, its undeniable, how big of an impact the revolution caused.
That, and you dont even make any sense.
Bah wrote a reply on to get a error.
I agree to disagree was me being polite.
Like i said playing the old MG games to MGS 1 you can see the revolution jump in the game.
Yes it dose matter what I think. I have been playing games for over 25 years and entitled to agree or disagree and have a opinion .
I do find it hard to explain what I mean at time.
I will say this again as I have said many tkmes.
These forums are ran on opinion and every one is entitled to a opinion and agree or disagree with others just as you are with them , and my opinion disagrees with yours. Which means my say and opinion matters just as much as yours or anyones.
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Member_of_STARS
28-05-08, 06:01
Whether you have an opinion or not is not important. Were talking about a specific issue here which does not fall under the category opinion. If youve played videogames for 25 years, surely you can appreciate the massive jump between NES and PSX, and not get stuck into thinking that graphics are everything.
atticus1218
08-06-08, 17:31
I think RE4 was a great game, and was great marketing wise, it made the series more known etc. but yeah RE4 is a total different game compared to the other games in the series and im sure RE5 will do the same, and plus RE4 wasnt scary in the slightest. the graphics were great etc. but you kinda feel like your just doing the same thing over and over agan, shoot bad guys...shoot more bad guys...try not to kill ashley...you killed ashley on purpose...restart and kill more bad guys...kinda loses its purpose after a bit. Not saying that the other games didnt have that, but overall the new games are different from the old syle, so depends which style you prefer more.
Im sorta split.
The original 3 games where pretty good with the controls and overall style, if they where to make a game with improved features of the 3rd game (like dodging and stuff), I wouldnt mind if a newer Resident Evil (not nessesarily 6, maybe Outbreak 3) had this old style, Getting the hang of controls was pretty tricky, I ran in to zombies, missed items by a small distance and shot violently in to a wall, but with a lock on system and my own improvement (or so id like to think) this problem was easily overcome in later games.
And yet, RE4 was fun to play, it was fast paced and I enjoyed it, if they where far more realistic with the moves (jumping out of a window on the second floor unharmed? suplexing? elaborate kicking?) and where far less run-and-gun id enjoy it far more, but I would say that this style is necessary, the enemies in the 4th game where much faster and had a variety of weapons, with this same style implemented in to older games, zombies would be far easier to kill but that would take the fun out of it.
This is a topic made for the reason to find out how many people like the oldschool style and want capcom to change its new Jhon Rambo Projects back to original style, or how many people are who like this new run your gun off Resident evil 4,5 style.
You want capcom to remake residnet evil 2 and 3 ? and then make a new engine for next generation and for Resident evil 4 ? please say it here . (I dont call the recent resident evil 4 as that title, or 5, for me this 2 games dozent exist) so i think it depends on us here that what they are going to do in the futhure.
Make full this topic please, talk about your opinions or just say it short wich of the old or new style you want in the futhure to continue , maybe someone is taking a look and they take this serious.
Resident evil 1 remake
Resident evil 2
Resident evil 3
Resident evil Code Veronica x
Resident evil 0
against
Resident evil 4
Resident evil 5
Story comparation, gameplay comparation, feeling comparation, athmosphere. and ofcours the originality of the art of survival horror.
Think about this and please lets have a long talk about it, evry one just say what they wish from capcom and if you alredy said it then take a control copy and paste it here. thank you
There nothing to compare with Oldschool REs with any of the new ones. The only thing new ones feel and actually are better are the graphics and sound quality. The new ones are more action type , where this means less gothic and horror atmosphere.
Even with so many differences from old ones to new ones ( graphic-action wise) still Old ones feel far better than new ones.
Stories are GREAT . Goes like a chain from 1 to 2 and 2 to 3 + CV. 0 was also nice because gave some info about where this Virus came from. About RE4 was a failure imo. A girl that kidnapped , presidents daughter Oo , Leon had some info for a village that this girl might be ( lol?) and this village was full of what?? mindless zobies that actually got some brain left to think a little , and in the end they transformed to some sort of alien because of a parasite,,, I mean wtf is that? This is good story?.... This is a bad B sci-fi horror movie...Come on...
About Gameplay RE4 feels better with so many guns and adds to horror/suvival thing because you have to aim. Other than that i prefered the full 3rd person camera of previous games, especially Veronica and Remake, you could see more of the surroundings and your player.
About feeling ... No comment. Ive played all REs from the very start. All felt great , unique and awesome except...guess which.. RE4.Dont get me wrong was a great game ,but not for next RE installment.. For a side game maybe.. Not for RE with number 4... Was just ok..Never felt awesome, never felt gorgeous or fantastic ... Just decent compared to even previous gen RE games....
About atmosphere.... What to tell here?... We all know (Except newcomers that started RE games with 4) that old games are unbeatable. Just that. I wont forget ever so many great surroundings, bosses , the old mansions , police stations etc.. All were AWESOME... Till RE4 were felt like an Alien FPS with a bit of horror... Nothing was the same...
And last originality of the art... Oldschool wins by far. Why? ITs simple
Because ALL we knew and loved RE franchise because of the classic ZOMBIES and the whole situation with T-G viruses. Some very nice puzzles , with very nice atmosphere and ART with some of the coolest bosses ever and very very nice (even pre-rendered) surroundings. Then affection spread and you had to survive alone in a whole town. Or an island where crazy things happened..I Thats what all ppl loved about RE.Made you feel like youre participating into a zombie movie.
RE4, had nothing to do with RE series. RE5 from what ive seen feels the same. Some will like it some wont. Ofc even if its not a classic RE game its amust buy and play but still... In the end you feel kinda empty and unhappy with what you see. Oh well.. I hope for RE6 be like old classic RE l( like i hoped for RE5 :( ) or a side zombie game name RE:DEGENERATION :). Cheers
ChinaWhite
19-06-08, 11:25
This is a topic made for the reason to find out how many people like the oldschool style and want capcom to change its new Jhon Rambo Projects back to original style, or how many people are who like this new run your gun off Resident evil 4,5 style.
You want capcom to remake residnet evil 2 and 3 ? and then make a new engine for next generation and for Resident evil 4 ? please say it here . (I dont call the recent resident evil 4 as that title, or 5, for me this 2 games dozent exist) so i think it depends on us here that what they are going to do in the futhure.
Make full this topic please, talk about your opinions or just say it short wich of the old or new style you want in the futhure to continue , maybe someone is taking a look and they take this serious.
Resident evil 1 remake
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Story comparation, gameplay comparation, feeling comparation, athmosphere. and ofcours the originality of the art of survival horror.
Think about this and please lets have a long talk about it, evry one just say what they wish from capcom and if you alredy said it then take a control copy and paste it here. thank you
Hi Im new, but I would like to reply to this topic. Im a fan of the original Resident Evil series, which I call the Trilogy, if it can be called that? Resident Evil 4 was a big evolution the marmite as I call it you either love it or you hate it I honestly dont share this view that the game should be the same for 5 games in a row. I was glad the game changed after the third because the gameplay to me was being recycled, so I was glad in the 4th they radically changed it. It took a while to get used to but I found it fun.
For me personally, RE 4 wasnt as scary as the previous games in the way it didnt make me jump, but thats one aspect of fear. RE4 scared me by sounds and having a big number of zombies trying to kill me by any means, being overcrowded was scary to me. It was more of anxiety especially when I heard that zombie with the chainsaw, all I could think was run run run!! It was similar to the previous Resident Evil games when the Tyrant came in the 3rd and he would chase me all over the place saying S.T.A.R.S in that creepy voice, and even when I did get rid of him I knew he would be back again but when? That was my fear and when he did show up that was another scary time, it was a big anxiety, I knew he was going to come but making it through the next section was exciting and heart pounding, that is fear just a different kind.
Resident Evil 5 looks scary to me, I guess fear effects different people in different ways, the previous games scared me, and im sure the new game will scare me too, it all depends on the individual at the end of the day. i dont agree you need to keep the fixed camera, it is simply a mechanic to play the game, you can use different mechanics but the makers have to design it to work from that perspective. I dont understand why you called the game Rambo? I didnt stand around shooting zombies i ran around most of them, I guess our play style is different?
Im always happy if new comers come into a series which I love, I dont like elitism, where people have this opinion its my game, it should be this way, and anyone who hasnt played the previous games are less then me I mean how dare you. Everyones opinion means something, many people I know didnt play RE until 4, because their complaint was the controls of the previous games where cumbersome, which is a valid point, which if I look from their perspective stands true, I just got used to them.
But anyways, Resident Evil 5 will be coming out now, its a bit late to change what has been done, and its one of the most anticipated games that many new and old fans are waiting for be it if youre a 360 owner or a PS3, my only complaint if there is, if there is co-op which it is rumored? I would love to play co-op with gamers from both platforms, which would be awesome, but I dont think that will ever happen. :(
RE old school definitely the best!
The RE4 turn the RE series into a war vs umbrella not a survival horror like it used to be...and the monsters from RE4 reminds me the house of the dead :s
Big respect from those who Love RE4!
aka Active
14-07-08, 13:45
Or there is thoose who absolutley loves both classic and new gameplay.
hmn well, I think overall the whole survival horror genre has been evolving in the last years, and the old series that still thrive nowadays have undergone some degree of evolution. With RE it is not different, RE4 delivered the franchise a refresh that took the series out of the oblivion into the front line of the game industry, otherwise the series would have become a museum. The re-styling surely produced a AAA title, except from its plot which scores far lower than many gender-similar games, but I dont beleive the series has gone through only an evolution it clearly dropped some key elements that made up its previous games and adopted new ones. If you like it or not it is a matter of personal opinion, but no one can deny RE4 was a great game, both market and critic sucess and its follower is very likely to keep up the acheivements.
Triple Seven
17-07-08, 20:17
RE4 delivered the franchise a refresh that took the series out of the oblivion into the front line of the game industry, otherwise the series would have become a museum.
I disagree. Its a matter of quality. Nonetheless, I think its harder to produce a good old school RE game than a 3rd person shooter, so what youve said has some validity, even in my eyes.