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Soop
25-08-09, 10:09
Can you believe it? They want to re-name whisky "freedom liquor" as part of a Scotland boycott. "They" being a minority of Americans.

Spike 74
25-08-09, 10:12
noo..

Do you have a link as i would like to read up more on this.

Ta.

Tenebra
25-08-09, 10:31
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article6807288.ece

EliteFreq
25-08-09, 10:41
Could anyway explain that for me, I seem to have missed the whole thing...

Soop
25-08-09, 10:54
Could anyway explain that for me, I seem to have missed the whole thing...

Guy detonates bomb onboard a plane
Many people (including 180 Americans) die.
Guy gets caught and locked up forever. In Scotland.
[20 years pass...]
Guy contracts cancer and is released on compassionate grounds by Scotland.
Americans get angry and try to boycott a nation very few have any knowledge about.

TBH I think the guy in charge was emulating the Ronnie Biggs (Great Train robber) case, without realising that robbery != mass murder.

No47
25-08-09, 10:55
Although it sounds childish, good luck to them.

This man should of never have been released, and should of died in prison. He killed over 200 odd people, mainly Americans and showed no remorse.

IMO the Scottish goverment made a big mistake by releasing him, and i also believe the UK goverment had some involvement in the release as well, what with trading rights to Libya.

This goes to show what a soft touch Great Britain has become, and IMO the EU parliament has alot to do with it.

Tenebra
25-08-09, 11:05
It's not always black and white as it seems http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Lockerbie-Al-Megrahi-release-welcomed.5574557.jp

Soop
25-08-09, 11:34
Although it sounds childish, good luck to them.

This man should of never have been released, and should of died in prison. He killed over 200 odd people, mainly Americans and showed no remorse.

IMO the Scottish goverment made a big mistake by releasing him, and i also believe the UK goverment had some involvement in the release as well, what with trading rights to Libya.

This goes to show what a soft touch Great Britain has become, and IMO the EU parliament has alot to do with it.

Okay, while I agree that, assuming he got locked up after being found legitimately guilty, he shouldn't have been released.

But Freedom Liquor? That's just ignorant.

thezombiemessia
25-08-09, 11:54
It's not always black and white as it seems http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Lockerbie-Al-Megrahi-release-welcomed.5574557.jp

It's a shame the article doesn't go into any more detail.

I'd like to see why these 2 families believe him to be innocent, whilst others a reportedly fuming that he has been set free.


Either way though, it's just stupid to change the name of a drink because you're angry that a few people in the country did something you don't agree with.

Should we judge the entirety of America for the mistakes that a few of their citizens have made?

Spike 74
25-08-09, 12:18
Thanks for the links.


Didn't the amricans do the same with French Fries at some point? Renaming them to Freedom fries?

EliteFreq
25-08-09, 12:26
Guy detonates bomb onboard a plane
Many people (including 180 Americans) die.
Guy gets caught and locked up forever. In Scotland.
[20 years pass...]
Guy contracts cancer and is released on compassionate grounds by Scotland.
Americans get angry and try to boycott a nation very few have any knowledge about.
Oh I see, I sort of didn't make the link that is was of course Scotland that released him...


And about that link that Ten posted. Sensationalism. People don't care how people feel. Just that people died so someone must be to blame and they should be punished along with all those that side with them.

draconacticus
25-08-09, 12:26
We should rename american beers "Oppression Lager" or "Evidence-extracted-under-torture Ale"

:P

Soop
25-08-09, 12:28
We should rename american beers "Oppression Lager" or "Evidence-extracted-under-torture Ale"

:P


Lawl, I'd love to see that happen!

II ARROWS
25-08-09, 12:33
Americans serve beer? :D

Is THAT beer? :D

draconacticus
25-08-09, 12:36
Americans serve beer? :D

It's beer that? :D

I'm not sure if technically it is beer. It's pretty weak stuff. I think it's actually mildy alcoholic rain water. Hardly compares to a good Bavarian brew.

Tenebra
25-08-09, 12:43
I'd like to see why these 2 families believe him to be innocent, whilst others a reportedly fuming that he has been set free.
Considering that the people in the article are the parents of 2 young victims who died in the bombing, maybe it'd be worth researching further in how the trial was conducted.

No47
25-08-09, 12:51
Why would someone who is innocent though put themselves up for being guilty of the bombing?.

Spike 74
25-08-09, 12:55
Why would someone who is innocent though put themselves up for being guilty of the bombing?.


It happens all the time.

I read lot of Real Life Crime mags and books and you would be surprised how often it does happen.

1, to protect some one
2, fame
3, mentaly disturbed

Are the 3 main reasions.

No47
25-08-09, 13:02
It happens all the time.

I read lot of Real Life Crime mags and books and you would be surprised how often it does happen.

1, to protect some one
2, fame
3, mentaly disturbed

Are the 3 main reasions.

I can understand that, especially the likes of the mafia, gangs, etc.

However as far as i know this man has no affiliation with the mafia, or a gang of any type.

Doing it for fame, or because he is mentally disturbed, perhaps.

At the end of the day though, i suppose as long as someone is held accountable then this is considered fine with the vast majority of the general public.

EliteFreq
25-08-09, 13:04
It happens all the time.

I read lot of Real Life Crime mags and books and you would be surprised how often it does happen.

1, to protect some one
2, fame
3, mentaly disturbed

Are the 3 main reasions.
Don't people do it to reduce their sentence? Or is that only in films?

Although I guess it doesn't really apply here.


To be honest, I don't think people should be released on compassionate grounds. Not because I don't care for people. But because really people should think about it before they do whatever they've done.


On a side note, I heard about some girl in Brazil admitted to killing 30 men since she was 15 and handed herself in at 17 so she didn't upset her family, although it's obvious she doesn't want to be tried as an adult.

Soop
25-08-09, 15:02
I'd have thought it would be more likely that he's a scapegoat, not so much a question of putting himself up for it. Assuming he's innocent, which I don't necessarily.

sandersjake500
25-08-09, 16:09
Yeah like most of scotland knows hes innocent. they never had enough evidence for a proper conviciton and he was just at the wrong time for the wrong place. And if he was somehow invloved two major things fail anyway
1) Why wasn't he on the plane too
2) If he wasn't on to avoid getting blown up then why would he stay in the Uk

I think its about thime the government rectifies their mistakes, could perhaps show the Americans the way forward ;)