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Triple Seven
25-01-08, 16:13
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The Possessed
26-01-08, 07:27
Man I cant wait much longer for this game, its gonna be awesome!
This one is about the only reason for me to buy ps3, but since I dont have enough mone, I just gotta hope that later they publish it on Xbox360.
James Mitchell
26-01-08, 09:40
I doubt that will happen, but Im sure compression of the audio etc. means it may be feasible one day.
Anyway, looking forward to this, something to do once Im done with HAZE and DMC4 on my PS3. Very interested to see where the story will head, and hopefully some plot holes are filled without opening new ones (though that hardly ever happens)
I dont think ill play this, i have this thing about old people, i think itll seem weird playing as an old guy that can still pull of awesome CQC moves, and handle many of the rapid firearms
Would love to play this, but unfortunately I bought the wrong console.
Its what Ill buy a Ps3 for.
what the hell is Snake doing to that statue?
anyway, Tekken 6 and MGS4 and Little Big Planet are games I must have.. (also bunks of PSN downloadable games) thats why Im buying a PS3, but.. Ill also buy a 360 o_o Ill buy 360 next month. also Ill buy PS3 after the next month. I need ALL of the 3 consoles.. everyone has it good choices of games. unless its 360 because 360 is crap.. 360 is just CHEATING by selling too much of great Xbox Live Arcade games..
James Mitchell
28-01-08, 14:20
what the hell is Snake doing to that statue?
This was shown in the first ever gameplay demonstration by Kojima himself. Basically, soldiers are coming and Snake is using his new Octocamo to disguise himself and avoid attention. =P;)
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t155/HumanIce64/snake_wanka.jpg
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what the hell is Snake doing to that statue?
This was shown in the first ever gameplay demonstration by Kojima himself. Basically, soldiers are coming and Snake is using his new Octocamo to disguise himself and avoid attention. =P;) [/quote]
I wouldnt recommend trying it in real life. hee hee! :p
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t155/HumanIce64/snake_wanka.jpg
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Its a statue. Stop being so homophobic.
Theres always a lil genitalia fondling in MGS.
DJ-Darkslayer
29-01-08, 17:18
Pretty much looking incredible...I was mind-blown at the gameplay vid by Kojima. I feel however, deep down Im more so looking forward to MGO2 :D
what the hell is Snake doing to that statue?
Hes not called solid snake for nothing!
Progenitor
01-02-08, 12:16
This game looks like pure sex on legs. REX and RAY look positively outstanding. For all who purchase this game, KLEENEX AT THE READY:lol:
thirdenergy
09-02-08, 23:21
I Wish I Could Get A Ps3 For This Game.
Been waiting for a playable Snake game since MGS1 from 1998. Its time.
Triple Seven
03-04-08, 09:51
There is a new preview over at gamepro (http://www.gamepro.com/sony/ps3/games/previews/173848.shtml). 4 pages.
Playing a nearly complete build of Metal Gear Solid 4 running on the PlayStation 3 was a revelatory experience. The graphics looked sensational, the sound effects and music sounded magnificently epic, and the interface felt sleek and simple. In short, its becoming increasingly clear that Metal Gear Solid 4 will be the rare game to live up to its own massive hype. We feel confident that MGS4 is the game PlayStation 3 owners (and Metal Gear fans) have been waiting years to play.
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P.S.:
There is more. IGN (http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/863/863825p1.html), this time.
We werent simply shown snippets of levels or gameplay demos; instead, we were sequestered for three days at their facility for two specific tasks. The first task was that we were to play through the entire title from start to finish with the Konami team gathering our stats and play information as we progressed.
The second task was much more important, because at the end of every gameplay session, we were asked to provide detailed feedback, which would be given to the development team to make adjustments to the final build of the title. We werent alone in experiencing the game in this way; Kojima himself was replaying the title at the same time we were, going through the same gameplay sections and feedback tasks as we were. In effect, we became part of the design team. As I stated earlier, this was a once in a lifetime opportunity, especially for any Metal Gear Solid fan. Not only were we getting a chance to complete the game before anyone else, but we were making an impact on the overall game that will launch worldwide on June 12th.
Great when a games quality isnt compromised by having to launch it asap.
(You may have noticed that the inverted text (markers) are a little off. Disappointing that these issues havent been fixed yet. Theres also one picture missing even though the code as such has been entered correctly)
P.P.S.:
Four weeks after I watched its credits roll (well, most of them anyway...some things even we werent allowed to see), MGS4 still occupies a considerable amount of my mindshare. Trust me, theres a tremendous amount of game to process here...and while the chance to pen a carefully controlled preview on its first hour might seem like an excellent opportunity, it almost feels like a disservice to the title Kojima and Co. have produced. This game deserves a thesis, not a moment-by-moment walkthrough of what youll be experiencing yourself come June 12.
1ups preview (http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3167223)
James Mitchell
07-04-08, 10:43
Looking good. Its only about 2 months away if Im not mistaken and to be honest it couldnt come any sooner =D
Triple Seven
01-05-08, 19:35
Here is a new trailer (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/33452.html) that could be called awesome. Young Snake.
I have decided to buy a PS3 this summer, for this game and others, its about time.
Triple Seven
01-05-08, 23:05
I have decided to buy a PS3 this summer, for this game and others, its about time.
If you intend to do that, you may want to keep an eye open for the Metal Gear Solid 4 bundle. It will come with a Dualshock 3 controller.
Depends on how long it takes for them to release it, if its June 12 then thats OK, also depends on whether or not I can get one (they might sell out, Im not usually that quick off the mark, could always try to pre-order one I suppose), if they do sell out, then Im not that bothered about buying an ordinary PS3 and the game separate.
Thanks for the suggestion though.
EDIT: Just realised, JEEZ! I have been slow this week, I had an assignment at University that didnt go well and its thrown me off, I remember now that the ordinary PS3 doesnt come with Rumble controllers, but they have made a Rumble controller with the SIXAXIS, which would be quite good, will have to put some more thought into it now.
Triple Seven
02-05-08, 11:05
The bundle should be available at release (12th of June). There should also be no problem in securing one, at least not if you pre-order (at some point). I dont think the it comes as a limited edition.
Yeah, assignments gone wrong tend to be a source of pleasure. All the best.
Triple Seven
13-05-08, 21:41
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/33853.html
Damn.
Maybe because its because its a trailer but this game looks alot more action, than the previous games. Just my thoughts.
I just found out today that they arent using the MGS theme music. Apparently, last year they discovered that it was a rip off from Russian composers Sviridovs The Snowstorm - Winter Road. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JL4JXEv-RY
Old news, but first Ive heard of it.
The Possessed
17-05-08, 13:19
This news is probably a week or so old now. Play is set to receive an exclusive limited edition MGS4 package featuring the game, soundtrack, a 6 figure of Solid Snake and a Blu-Ray Making Of documentary.
http://www.play.com/Games/PlayStation3/4-/5500791/Metal-Gear-Solid-4-Guns-Of-The-Patriots-Limited-Edition/Product.html
Triple Seven
19-05-08, 02:13
Apparently limited to 25.000 in Europe. There also should be a soundtrack CD in that package, although it isnt always listed.
This news is probably a week or so old now. Play is set to receive an exclusive limited edition MGS4 package featuring the game, soundtrack, a 6 figure of Solid Snake and a Blu-Ray Making Of documentary.
http://www.play.com/Games/PlayStation3/4-/5500791/Metal-Gear-Solid-4-Guns-Of-The-Patriots-Limited-Edition/Product.html
I dont have any feelings for this game seeing the trailer nothing special but nextgen grafics i can say that can i ?
Triple Seven
19-05-08, 11:47
Sure you can. Have you played one of the games?
No i never have play metal Gear Solid...maybe you can tell more of it wat has this game
that makes you wanna play it...from what i see its stealht action shooter but there has too
be more too it i guess.
When i saw the first screen of Lost Planet for instance i was imedialy convinced that it
had too be a cool game i never played it but the screens and trailers convinced me somehow
If i now look at the trailers of L P expecially the online trailers i get such monsterhunter
feeling i cant explain it.
And thats something i dont have whith this,the monsterhunter thing doesnt cont here okie.
Well what you dont get from the trailers is the story. In my opinon the Metal Gear series all have amazing storys both collectively and individually. As well as
that there is the challenge. Maybe its just me but avoiding being seen can at times be quite hard and I have serious issues about not getting seen.
Triple Seven
19-05-08, 14:39
Its indeed not easy to explain. You could watch gametrailers retrospective (http://www.gametrailers.com/game/6748.html) of the entire series. This should provide you with a better understanding. However, Im afraid, youd have to actually play some of the games. I suggest starting with Twin Snakes, a Cube game and remake of Metal Gear Solid 1 (also playable on Wii) that can still be found.
Kojima Disappointed With Metal Gear Solid 4 (http://kotaku.com/381412/kojima-disappointed-with-metal-gear-solid-4)
Seem like Kojimas vision didnt turn out exactley the way he wanted, adding that they where to many restrictions when it came to developing the game for the PS3.
I, for one, would have liked to see the whole vision for what Kojima had planned for the fourth in the series.
Triple Seven
19-05-08, 16:48
He later on corrected what was translated incorrectly. Im too tired to search for it now but its been something about a flying car.
Just annoucned that MGS4 will have cutscenes that run to a max of 0-90 minutes EACH.
Just annoucned that MGS4 will have cutscenes that run to a max of 0-90 minutes EACH.
Seriously?
The first 3 games had far too much dialog, now sounds like 4 is going to have more!
Might not buy it then if thats true.
The Spirit
23-05-08, 19:09
Dont expect MGS4: Guns Of The Patriots to be the last one either
Some Kotaku news
Metal Gear Solid 4 isnt even out and whaddaya know, the games creator Hideo Kojima is already thinking about Metal Gear Solid 5. While MGS4 was supposed to be Kojimas last entry the series, he seems to have had a change of heart recently. Isnt he ready to move on to other things? Dunno. What we do know is what he told Famitsu [*spoilers ahoy!*]:
I gotta start thinking about MGS5... Even though, well, Snakes story ends in MGS4.
...About MGS5, that would be something that Kojima Productions would have to make, I think.
Sounds like Kojimas at least considering doing Metal Gear Solid 5. If MGS4 is a hit, itll be hard for him not to do it. And hey, if he actually does make MGS5, then he can think about making MGS6 after that!
Source http://kotaku.com/5010401/kojima-is-thinking-about-metal-gear-solid-5
Member_of_STARS
23-05-08, 20:48
Just annoucned that MGS4 will have cutscenes that run to a max of 0-90 minutes EACH.
Definitely made of epic winrar. All MGS needs is moar story! I loved MGS2 for its cutscenes.
Wouldnt be a Solid title, spirit, probably metal gear something.
But yeh im not surprised they have movie length cut scenes in this one, they have a lot to cover and bring to closure. This is gonna be truly epic.
Triple Seven
24-05-08, 11:12
You are right, Parjay. Here is what seems to be the correct, original statement:
Speaking to MTV Multiplayer, associate producer Ryan Payton delivered the shocking revelation that a popular franchise would continue in the future. I think theres been some misconceptions that this is the last Metal Gear,he said. This is really just the last chapter of the saga of the Solid Snake story.
joystiq (http://www.joystiq.com/2008/05/19/metal-gear-solid-4-not-the-last-metal-gear/)
Personally I dont mind cutscenes of that length, as long as they are well done and placed. Although chances are it wont come to such length:
Ive completed the game twice. Ninety-minute-long cinemas in MGS4 sounds like an exaggeration. Like the other MGS games, MGS4 definitely has a cinematic quality. And yes, some of the cut-scenes in the game are elaborate and occasionally lengthy. But not a [sic] one, to my recollection, even approaches 90 minutes. I think its safe to say that the 90 minute cinemas claim is a pretty big exaggeration, our source reports.
The cutscenes are, it seems, also skippable and pausable.
games.net (http://www.omgmetalgear.com/article/82153/90-minute-cutscenes-in-mgs4-i-dont-think-so/)
These 1,5 hours rumors come from CVG, which quoted from an article of the (soon to be) released issue 108 of PSW magazine. That publication happens to be part of the CVG Network, as stated next to the bit CVG wrote (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=189543) about it.
They (CVG) also quote another sentence from PSW: They can be skipped, but youll be missing out on some of the finely crafted examples of FMV footage anywhere in gaming, the article boldly proclaims.
At any rate, it seems to me that this is either a genuine mistake by at least one of them, or, more likely, a promotional move.
I dont think anything could put me off this game. And 90 minute cutsences/dialouges is going to bother me the first time through as I am normally glued to the story and and other plays through they can be skipped.
Triple Seven
24-05-08, 22:40
I dont think anything could put me off this game. And 90 minute cutsences/dialouges is going to bother me the first time through as I am normally glued to the story and and other plays through they can be skipped.
The same goes for me.
Alexis_XXX
25-05-08, 00:54
There is a French trailer for it, too. :d
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spn9uJ1kM4A
I had to listen again to correct my translation:
Plonge en mort. ~ Dive into death.
Une mort superficielle. ~ A superficial death.
Une vie superficielle dŠs la mort. ~ A life as superficial as death.
Quest-ce que la vie sans la mort? ~ What is life without death?
Quest-ce que la mort? - What is death?
Une vie ennuyeuse. ~ A boring life.
La vie est surfaite. ~ Life is overrated.
Joue par mort. ~ Play dead.
Pieuvre Armement. ~ Loaded Octopus.
Attraction Irresistible. ~ Irresistible Attraction.
Heres a MGS theme song to keep us occupied till MGS4 comes along lol.:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfKA4b5SFq4
This video brought a tear to my eyes.:cry:
Im only interested in the online side but I had so many problems with the beta so im not sure if its worth it for me. But it was only a beta.
Without being rude...Problems like what? I honestly other than the preplaying stuff (Downloading the patch, and getting a ID) did not have a single problem with the game.
thezombiemessia
30-05-08, 19:38
People might be interested in this:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/a58390/metal-gear-solid-4-confirmed-for-xbox-360.html
Im not believing it until there is something official, as this discussion has been going on for ages...but some people might be able to find some official confirmation somewhere.
Personally I dont believe it. I meant why would Sony let one of there flagship games go multi platform. Just doesnt seem right to me.
Im sorry but if i look it this picture it makes me laugh i mean what was the character designer thinking when he made this Hmmm it has too be a veteran midle aged man lost an eye in combat has a futuristic overdued body that looks like an swimseut and he even has no d*ck i mean comeon than atleast give him a 15 inch one thats what a veteran deserves isnt it?
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/257/reviews/926596_20050916_screen010.jpg
Member_of_STARS
31-05-08, 08:22
Eurogamers review made me orgasm. This ones a keeper.
Triple Seven
31-05-08, 08:42
8 out of 10? For people who arent fans of the previous games, perhaps. I find it hard to justify against a 10 out of 10 for GTA. IGN somewhat keeps things in perspective. However in my opinion GTA is far from a 10. As a are most games.
As for you, Mud, you apparently havent played a single MGS game.
thezombiemessia
31-05-08, 09:17
There should be no game in existence that can earn a 10/10. This would imply that the game is perfect in every single way, and thus would end the need to ever buy another game ever again.
A perfect game would completely destroy the industry. 10/10 does not exist.
Member_of_STARS
31-05-08, 10:31
There should be no game in existence that can earn a 10/10. This would imply that the game is perfect in every single way, and thus would end the need to ever buy another game ever again.
A perfect game would completely destroy the industry. 10/10 does not exist.
Too much conspiracy theory. The perfect score does not show the game is the best, it merely shows that the game scored a maximum in every category which is rated. Basically, the game is virtually flawless. And GTA4 may very well be that game.
8/10 for MGS4 can very well be justified, considering that its really is what it is- a game some people will love, some will hate. There are just too many specifics in the game that will not tickle the average gamer. A good reviewer will take this into account. Considering they gave HALO3 7/10, they know what they are doing.
thezombiemessia
31-05-08, 10:58
But again, a flawless game denotes perfection...if a game is flawless, then what would be the point in ever playing any other game?
A perfect score also gives the impression that GTA4 is for everybody, and i can tell you now...it aint for everybody.
GTA4 is in no way the perfect game...in fact, i have to say it is only a marginal upgrade of GTA3...
I think that 8/ 10 is a good score for a game, though if that same person gives GTA a 10/ 10 then perhaps its unjustified.
Member_of_STARS
31-05-08, 15:12
But again, a flawless game denotes perfection...if a game is flawless, then what would be the point in ever playing any other game?
Silly semantics. A flawless game in no way is in the top of the crowd. Just because a game is technically a ... perfection, doesnt mean one wouldnt enjoy other games. Youre being too technical about something which is governed by human emotions.
perfect score also gives the impression that GTA4 is for everybody, and i can tell you now...it aint for everybody.
No it doesnt. It merely states that the game is good. Theres still a matter of taste.
Triple Seven
31-05-08, 15:39
perfect score also gives the impression that GTA4 is for everybody, and i can tell you now...it aint for everybody.
No it doesnt. It merely states that the game is good. Theres still a matter of taste.
Merely? You somewhatcontradict what you wrote earlier on. There you called GTA 4 potentially virtually flawless and a 10 therefore justified. You also agreed on an 8 for GoP, which means you consider it to be flawed. That however appears to be highly subjective and as such a matter of taste, or as you put it some people will love, some will hate .
8/10 for MGS4 can very well be justified, considering that its really is what it is- a game some people will love, some will hate. There are just too many specifics in the game that will not tickle the average gamer.
Theres not just still a matter of taste, according to you. The score itself is (also) a matter of taste. And as such a perfect score does give the impression that the game in question is for - virtually - everybody; virtually all people will love it, virtually no people will hate it.
Nonetheless, [i]the perfect game would mean thered be no purpose in playing other games. A perfect game indeed doesnt. For example, there may be a perfect racing game, a perfect action adventure... etc. Theoretically. Realistically, can there be the perfect book? A perfect tool? It depends on defining the items category. One would have to extremely specific in order to allow for the perfect item of a given category. I doubt its even possible. Not that Ive given it much thought.
P.S.:
The only thing supposed to be written italic is >the< perfect ... - another glitch.
Bonus Round (http://www.gametrailers.com/bonusround_list.php)talks about Metal Gear 4 in episode 22 at Gamestrailers.com
Guests include N Gai Croal, David Hayter and Rob Smith.
Triple Seven
02-06-08, 12:26
Its worth watching, too. Good panel, good topic.
10/10 isn othign to do with a game being perfect, more the reviewers satisfaction.
But these problems are not knew, the reviewing systems are mostly broken.
Triple Seven
02-06-08, 15:33
Even keen students of Metal Gear lore are going to struggle to follow this tangled tale. Laden with sentimental sermons and metaphors for the evils of war, struggling under the weight of the resolving the plots of four previous games and the personal destinies of characters as diverse as Raiden, Meryl, Naomi, Vamp and Eva, it is in all honesty a mess. Motivation and consistency fall by the wayside and by the end its totally unclear who is on which side, or whats at stake. Maybe thats deliberate, but it doesnt work, and the hours of talking-head exposition involved are too steep a price to pay for this muddled closure.
Youre sorry to see Snake go. But should you be? Guns of the Patriots is a frustrating, fractured game that turns Metal Gear Solids world upside down several times over, but never changes it. It just burrows deeper into what fans love and detractors hate than ever before, and it will make few converts. Its a crying shame, given how many genuinely classic gaming moments there are here, given the countless exquisite creative touches, but Metal Gear Solid 4 is its own worst enemy. You could not ask for a funnier, cleverer, more ambitious or inspired or over-the-top conclusion to the Metal Gear Solid series, but its definitely time to move on.
We love you, Snake. Dont come back.
That (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=143797&page=3) seems to be entirely off. Oh, heres their scoring policy (http://www.eurogamer.net/scoring_policy.php).
But.....
IGN - 9.9 http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/877/877611p3.html
Gametrailers - 9.3 http://www.gametrailers.com/game/1743.html
I would say that Eurogamer is subjectively wrong.
They cant be wrong, thats their opinion. Same way the other reviews cant be right because they all agree with high scores.
No but they can have a less valid opinon to everyone else.
A more valid opinion is not greater than a less valid opinion, either. ;)
Triple Seven
02-06-08, 19:24
There are opinions that are better than others.
Motivation and consistency fall by the wayside and by the end its totally unclear who is on which side, or whats at stake. Maybe thats deliberate, but it doesnt work, and the hours of talking-head exposition involved are too steep a price to pay for this muddled closure.
Youre sorry to see Snake go. But should you be? Guns of the Patriots is a frustrating, fractured game that turns Metal Gear Solids world upside down several times over, but never changes it.
(...)
We love you, Snake. Dont come back.
Part 2 made perfect sense. Not the first time I played it but in the end it does. Chances are things arent different with part 4, at least not worse. I have a strong feeling this particular reviewer got quite a few things wrong. And thats where one opinion is better than another.
People who are sorry to see Snake go, people who love him wont ask for him not to come back. Especially not when he stands for a specific kind of video game the author apparently has a problem with.
seth ranson
02-06-08, 22:39
Why should some opinions be better than others?
Part 2 made perfect sense. Not the first time I played it but in the end it does. Chances are things arent different with part 4, at least not worse. I have a strong feeling this particular reviewer got quite a few things wrong. And thats where one opinion is better than another.
Who defines what s wrong?
People who are sorry to see Snake go, people who love him wont ask for him not to come back. Especially not when he stands for a specific kind of video game the author apparently has a problem with.
So what? Did he say that he is sorry to see Snake go or that he loves him?
And how can you tell that he has a problem with this specific kind of video game?
Triple Seven
03-06-08, 00:23
Why should some opinions be better than others?
Part 2 made perfect sense. Not the first time I played it but in the end it does. Chances are things arent different with part 4, at least not worse. I have a strong feeling this particular reviewer got quite a few things wrong. And thats where one opinion is better than another.
Who defines what s wrong?
People who are sorry to see Snake go, people who love him wont ask for him not to come back. Especially not when he stands for a specific kind of video game the author apparently has a problem with.
So what? Did he say that he is sorry to see Snake go or that he loves him?
And how can you tell that he has a problem with this specific kind of video game?
Lets say someone does base their opinion on wrong facts. Or the persons opinion is held back by, for example, a lack of intelligence or education. I dont think that a person who states that Einsteins (proven) formulas are nonsense does have an overly good opinion there. Also, people who dont read a complete book but just a couple of pages should be careful with daring opinions.
The typical modern Metal Gear game requires a lot of time and concentration. The story isnt easy to follow and it takes a 2nd playthrough to get a lot of the minor and major aspects. Claiming it doesnt make sense ( totally unclear, frustrating, fractured ) appears to be premature.
This kind of video game refers to complex ( convoluted ) and deep storylines and character development. Long cut scenes are a consequence of that ( hours of talking-head exposition involved are too steep a price to pay for this muddled closure ). You may have noticed the tone of the reviewer and the aspects he criticizes (see above).
He said we love you Snake, that includes him (not in reality but grammatically). He doesnt want him to come back. Clearly it is not about the character as such but the kind of game (see above) he stands for. Personally I dont necessarily mind Snake departing. However I am glad that there are games such as this one, if only a few, unfortunately.
I have to agree with Triple7 here. Does not seem to me like the reviewer has a high opinon of the genre of game he is playing. And I am going to take a wild stab in the dark and say that he got bored and maybe didnt watch and/or pay attention to the cut sences.
Triple Seven
03-06-08, 16:40
I have to agree with Triple7 here. Does not seem to me like the reviewer has a high opinon of the genre of game he is playing. And I am going to take a wild stab in the dark and say that he got bored and maybe didnt watch and/or pay attention to the cut sences.
Perhaps these games are in their own sub-genre already.
The Possessed
03-06-08, 19:41
A review is simply a persons opinion in the end. Whilst they have a professional perspective to base their opinions on, it is still just a point of view. Youre not going to have a reviewer who dislikes a game giving it top marks. For example youre not going to get a footie fanatic who hates fighting games to give the likes of Tekken a decent review. Thus I never base my input to buy a game on a review.
seth ranson
03-06-08, 20:40
That still won t make any opinion better than another.
This one for example shows that you shouldn t simply buy a game just because everyone says it s great.
I know someone who beta tests for PS3 and he says this is the best game PS3 has ever seen. He reccomends everyone buy it.
Member_of_STARS
06-06-08, 02:02
perfect score also gives the impression that GTA4 is for everybody, and i can tell you now...it aint for everybody.
No it doesnt. It merely states that the game is good. Theres still a matter of taste.
Merely? You somewhatcontradict what you wrote earlier on. There you called GTA 4 potentially virtually flawless and a 10 therefore justified. You also agreed on an 8 for GoP, which means you consider it to be flawed. That however appears to be highly subjective and as such a matter of taste, or as you put it some people will love, some will hate .
I dont contradict myself. If you had any clue under which human restraints and common sense videogame reviewing sites operate, you wouldnt be throwing your panties in the bunch because a game you like better, has a 2 digit lower score than a game which masses liked better. Get a grip on yourself. Yes. I said GTA4 is virtually flawless, because it is. It gives the majority of its players a pure form of videogame entertainment. I tried to show you the door to common sense and reason by pointing out that the score is not really a means to align games into a comparitive ladder, to each other, but to show their each ones ability to please a gamer. Quite simply, the review is not for MGS fans who would orgasm at MGS4 anyway, but for an average gamer, who may find the overly hard pressure on story exhausting and destracting from what would have to be a fun time. As such, many of the points Eurogamers adressed, are a legit concern. For example, Jeff from Gamespot had a collection of 2000 games.
Besides, EUG covered their bases completely, by saying that MGS fans will not be disappointed.
You would think Im as dull witted as you, if I think that a difference of 2 points means automatically that GTA4 is a better game. Whereas I merely think that from an average gamers standpoint, GTA4 is a better cut cookie. And just because a game is flawless, doesnt mean its the greatest game of all time.
Theres not just still a matter of taste, according to you. The score itself is (also) a matter of taste. And as such a perfect score does give the impression that the game in question is for - virtually - everybody; virtually all people will love it, virtually no people will hate it.
What did you expect to achieve by spinning the words like that? Dont worry, I can see you right through. Try to get this through your head- placing games into a ladder type best and worst TOP list is the easy way to create cheap dramatic effect. But in the same time, game reviewers have to base their score and opinion from the average gamers perspective. In some occasions also considered casual gamers. From that specific standpoint, GTA4 does not have any flaws, not technical, nor conceptual. Whereas MGS4 for example, might have certain distractions, noted out by the reviewer. Quite simply, MGS4 is not for everyone, and its quirks will most likely translate as flaws to the general crowd. A good reviewer does not focus on those flaws out of spite, but rather explains the nature of it, and describes it as a reason why many a people would be disappointed in the product. As such, MGS4 review was a balanced and well written one, obviously in the score range of 1-10. 8/10 score is excellent. The review is great.
Nonetheless, [i]the perfect game would mean thered be no purpose in playing other games.
What kind of a tool comes to that conclusion?
Perfect, or better said- flawless, doesnt mean its the best game of all times, Ive said it numerous times, which you have ignored every time- perfection or flawless means it just lacks either the very deep specialization or conceptual and technical flaws.
I dont like to argue with you, 777. I feel like Im constantly being pulled down to your intellectual level to explain in detail, everything that you should understand as common sense.You couldnt be any more transparent.
Just a wild guess here, but did you actually know that the gaming world or gaming culture is much, much bigger than one on CAPCOMs forums? The people here are actually a NICHE.
Every review I read from them, gets better and better-
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=143303
What a colossal difference from Xbox magazines BEST GAME EVUR!!!!11, yet captures every point so perfectly. Obviously a very good bunch.
Triple Seven
06-06-08, 21:37
No need to get personal.
Games should not be rated based on mass market appeal. If that was the case games of popular genres would automatically be rated high(er) whereas games of not as popular genre(s) would automatically be rated low(er). Every genre, every game should be evaluated on its own merit. Take sports, you cant rate a swimmer based on how fast he runs 100 meters. You cant rate a golfer based on how good he is at football, not even when football is more popular and more pople watch it/buy tickets for it. Although, more precisely, you can. It just wouldnt make that much sense.
Now have a look at Eurogamers rating policy:
A score of ten reflects a game that, within the reviewers estimation, is something you must buy: this is the message were trying to convey. On a basic level its almost certainly the best quality game ever seen within the context of its genre, and thats why Eurogamer doesnt dish them out very often. A score of 10 usually applies to less than a trio of games in any given year.
But all 10s are not born equal. For starters, you might consider that a ten in the RPG genre still isnt as appealing as an FPS that we scored an eight, or be mystified how we could score a football management game a nine when we only gave that survival-horror game you loved an eight. The best rule is to simply rate like with like, and use your own personal taste barometer to gauge whether the genre is of interest to you. Even so, if youre new to a particular genre then something scoring a ten is a very safe bet indeed. As a starting point, the message is you cant get a better game of this type.
Its not the average gamer. Its the fan of the genre.
Metal Gear Solid 4 is visual, cinematic, thematic perfection. In many ways, its actually easier to review the game by the standards and tennents of filmmaking than by traditional game elements. If were being honest with ourselves as well as you, we have to admit that, while the series continues to improve its gameplay incrementally, the real attraction for the series has been its visual value and emotional impact.
Once again, as we mentioned towards the beginning, MGS4 is a significant milestone for gaming from a cinematic standpoint. With the exception of one half of one act in the game, the world Kojimas art department has woven is supremely detailed and thorough. Every element of the design, from the staggering facial detail, lip synching and motion capture through to incidental details - imperfections and smudges on the in-game camera lens, fabric movement effects, simulated teardrops and wet hair, some integrated live-action video moments, all manner of blooming, depth-of-field, reflections, refractions and other effects - combine to create the most rounded and impressive visual masterpiece the game world has known. Incredible, in a word. IGN (AU) (http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/879/879429p3.html)
Thats what Metal Gear is. A genre, perhaps
Member_of_STARS
06-06-08, 23:34
No need to get personal.
lol
Games should not be rated based on mass market appeal.
Sorry, basics of marketing disagrees with you. Take any major videogame site, and they are reviewing games while keeping the casual gamers interest in mind. Take this for example- I rate Outbreak as the best Resident Evil game by far, yet for a casual gamer, its a horrible gaming experience, and i most reviews, the parts are solidly explained and highlighted. You dont see me raving about it getting a 5/10 score. Whether they should or shouldnt be based on mass market appeal, is none of your concern. Your job is to READ the review, get all the information you need, and if possible, ignore the score.
If that was the case games of popular genres would automatically be rated high(er) whereas games of not as popular genre(s) would automatically be rated low(er).
lol. Thanks for proving my point. Where have you been living? This is exactly how things are going these days. Even though games may not offer all that whats promised, they are rated higher because of magic touch of marketing. I showed you a comparision between Xbox Magazine and Eurogamers review, where one shows a balanced review against anothers fanboy-istic e-orgasm a la BEST GAME EVUR!!!!
Every genre, every game should be evaluated on its own merit.
What religion are you into? Why are you so naive? If that was the case, every game would be rated 10/10. We already have too many people rating games on a 7-10 score chart, we dont need an even less objective score sheet. In most cases, games are rated and reviewed based on the functionality and quality of a game. If the game has sub par sound effects, points are detracted, if the game has an unfair relation between story and gameplay, and gameplay being too hard or not fun enough, the points are detracted. Its all very simple. Dont be a fanboy of MGS4.
Take sports, you cant rate a swimmer based on how fast he runs 100 meters. You cant rate a golfer based on how good he is at football, not even when football is more popular and more pople watch it/buy tickets for it. Although, more precisely, you can. It just wouldnt make that much sense.
Amusing. You say this, then quote EUG to prove your point, and then b!tch and moan about MGS4 being rated unfairly... all while you havent presented not ONE reasonable argument why the 8/10 is unfair. Classic fanboy behaviour. You expect MGS4 to be rated higher and blame EUG, while theyve shown a balanced review. This is beyond funny. And now this example- while you cant translate Golf efforts into 100m Dash efforts... wait... no... you actually can! If someone sucks at golf, he sucks at golf- so he gets a 1/10. If someone sucks at 100m Dash, he sucks at 100m Dash, he gets a 1/10. This is how reviews work. In case you havent noticed, your argument fell flat. Nobody, ever in their sane mind, has reviewed RE games and given them a flat 1 because they werent good enough as RTS games.
Its not the average gamer. Its the fan of the genre.
What are you talking about? They basically said it themselves, that they score the from an average games point of view, hence why they are adressing you in general, and not you, the fan. They even elaborate on this, saying that in all reality, the scoring is imperfect, so you should make up your own mind (hence their fair and detailed review- from an average gamers point of view). You could have a look at their RE4 review and see what Im talking about. They even admitted themselves that they werent knowledgeable on REs storyline, so they didnt care how much or how little it was changed.
Thats what Metal Gear is. A genre, perhaps
What makes you think that? Because they listed features that were great in the game? There are at least half a dozen games I can list off the top of my head that did the same features at least as good if not better.
And no, MGS is NOT a genre. Its a game within a genre. You might aswell go around and claim RE4 is a genre.
Triple Seven
07-06-08, 01:21
Games should not be rated based on mass market appeal.
Sorry, basics of marketing disagrees with you. Take any major videogame site, and they are reviewing games while keeping the casual gamers interest in mind. Take this for example- I rate Outbreak as the best Resident Evil game by far, yet for a casual gamer, its a horrible gaming experience, and i most reviews, the parts are solidly explained and highlighted. You dont see me raving about it getting a 5/10 score. Whether they should or shouldnt be based on mass market appeal, is none of your concern. Your job is to READ the review, get all the information you need, and if possible, ignore the score.
Head over to IGN, 1up and Gamespot, check the scores MGS2 got. More effective, check metacritics.com. 96 out of 100 (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/metalgearsolid2?q=metal gear solid), based on 42 reviews of critics. Metal Gear Solid, 94 out of 100, based on 20 reviews. Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence, 94 out of 100, based on 53 reviews. Guns of the Patriots, 95 out of 100 (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/metalgearsolid4gunsofthepatriots?q=metal gear solid), based on 10 reviews. Ico, 90 out of 100 (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/ico?q=ico), based on 59 reviews, including a 10 out of 10 from Eurogamer (http://www.eurogamer.net/game.php?game_id=352). Any major videogame site. Casual, huh.
If that was the case games of popular genres would automatically be rated high(er) whereas games of not as popular genre(s) would automatically be rated low(er).
lol. Thanks for proving my point. Where have you been living? This is exactly how things are going these days. Even though games may not offer all that whats promised, they are rated higher because of magic touch of marketing. I showed you a comparision between Xbox Magazine and Eurogamers review, where one shows a balanced review against anothers fanboy-istic e-orgasm a la BEST GAME EVUR!!!!
See above.
Every genre, every game should be evaluated on its own merit.
(...) In most cases, games are rated and reviewed based on the functionality and quality of a game. If the game has sub par sound effects, points are detracted, if the game has an unfair relation between story and gameplay, and gameplay being too hard or not fun enough, the points are detracted.
Mario Kart Super Circuit, 93 (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/wii/supermariogalaxy?q=super%20mario). Final Fantasy VII, 92 (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/psx/finalfantasy7?q=final fantasy vii). Unfair relation between story and gameplay? No, because every genre, every game was evaluated on its own merit.
Take sports, you cant rate a swimmer based on how fast he runs 100 meters. You cant rate a golfer based on how good he is at football, not even when football is more popular and more pople watch it/buy tickets for it. Although, more precisely, you can. It just wouldnt make that much sense.
If someone sucks at golf, he sucks at golf- so he gets a 1/10. If someone sucks at 100m Dash, he sucks at 100m Dash, he gets a 1/10. This is how reviews work. In case you havent noticed, your argument fell flat. Nobody, ever in their sane mind, has reviewed RE games and given them a flat 1 because they werent good enough as RTS games.
See above (, also read through these two paragraphs again).
Thats what Metal Gear is. A genre, perhaps
What makes you think that? Because they listed features that were great in the game? There are at least half a dozen games I can list off the top of my head that did the same features at least as good if not better.
Please go ahead.
Member_of_STARS
07-06-08, 01:55
[Dont discuss warnings in topics. For further information have a look at this topic (http://www.capcom-europe.com/forums.aspx?g=posts&t=669). Edited accordingly; 777]
Head over to IGN, 1up and Gamespot, check the scores MGS2 got. More effective, check metacritics.com. 96 out of 100, based on 42 reviews of critics. Metal Gear Solid, 94 out of 100, based on 20 reviews. Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence, 94 out of 100, based on 53 reviews. Guns of the Patriots, 95 out of 100, based on 10 reviews. Ico, 90 out of 100, based on 59 reviews, including a 10 out of 10 from Eurogamer. Any major videogame site. Casual, huh.
Absolutely. One, MGS2 on PS2 back then was a pretty new concept, and in reality, it pretty much lacked in negatives. It went modern, with the FPS view and ditching the auto aim (partially), which alone improved gameplay immensely. So the game went from frustrating to fun, in just that one change. The only problem with the story, generally, was the overly long cutscene part in the end, but it was far from distracting. Most of all, it had all the aces to spare. It came with a surprise, with innovation and it scored excellently in all aspects (bar the overly lenght cutscenes in the end),
Two, given its time and position on the platforms, its once again imperative that you drop the stupid notion that scores set games above and below each other. (haha, amusing, youre arguing with me on a concept you agree with me. Truly remarkable stupidity)
Mario Kart Super Circuit, 93. Final Fantasy VII, 92. Unfair relation between story and gameplay? No, because every genre, every game was evaluated on its own merit.
Amusing. Youve completely ignored the whole quote, just to pursue half of a sentence. Go back, reread and re-respond to the quote again. Youve done this before, and Ive called you an idiot for the same mistake in the past. You havent learned anything. [same as above; 777]
Please go ahead.
Just to start, have you ever heard of Half Life 2 and its expansions?
Annnnnyhow,
getting all that closer to the game now, cant wait! Just got my dual shock today in the post, so im all ready for it.
Annnnnyhow,
How did you get on with the BETA?
I never got a full game as I kept getting booted by the server.
The online side is all that intrests me as I never got round to completing the the last two MGS games
I was in love with the beta and I still miss it. Cant wait til friday (I know thursday, but I get paid friday). I am looking forward to both sides of the game. Once I have completed the story I am looking forward to spending some time choking unsupsecting winstans.
seth ranson
07-06-08, 22:19
Weird.
I just saw that the Assassin s Creed guy will be in this game.
Triple Seven
07-06-08, 23:20
He wont be, his clothes will, unlockable. Probably something for the people who like bumblebee, donkey and pirate unlockables.
Annnnnyhow,
How did you get on with the BETA?
I never got a full game as I kept getting booted by the server.
The online side is all that intrests me as I never got round to completing the the last two MGS games
Beta was fine for me. Though, im still not a fan of auto aim, and hope that you can turn off that when you host in the fulll version. Mostly though, i hosted cqc knife/stun only games which proved popular.
Im worried about the game though, as im seeing many people dismiss it as pure fan service. seems to be a lot of pointless retcons.
Triple Seven
08-06-08, 01:35
Such as?
Im not posting spoilers. Well heres one for an example:
S P O I L E R S
Dr Clarke, the man who created Gray Fox in the back story, has been retconned into a woman: paramedic.
E N D S P O I L E RS
Triple Seven
08-06-08, 12:42
Interesting.
Yup. Pity too, as that was one of my favorite characters.
Triple Seven
08-06-08, 20:39
Clarke or Paramedic?
Paramedic. I dont think we ever see Clarke in the games, only when Naomi mentions Clarkes death when Gray Fox escapes the lab - which we later found out was a cover up on Naomis part.
Triple Seven
08-06-08, 21:27
Same here. I liked the food conversations. Her voice actor did a pretty good job. It was somewhat disappointing to see that she didnt play a bigger role in Portable Ops.
Yup. My MGS3 Subsistence is signed by her :d She mentioned one time that she recorded all her lines for Paramedic in MPO, perhaps in case they made a ps2 port I guess.
Triple Seven
08-06-08, 23:43
Im generally not into merchandise or autographs. Thats a pretty good one, though. On a sidenote, I find it irritating that the Essential collection wasnt released in Europe.
How are you going to play Guns of the Patriots?
Stealth all the way. In the usual 3rd person. I know in this one they added first person and more action, but I like these games for the pure stealth.
Triple Seven
09-06-08, 01:09
Same here. Business as usual. I think the first time around I also wont support any party (PMC/militia), if actually possible. Ive heard the highest (?) ranking requires zero kills and less, or up to, three alerts.
First time I am planning to play through in a stealth way, and hopefully planning on using only cqc other than on bosses of course.
P.s Parjay that was not a very well concealed spoiler.
Member_of_STARS
09-06-08, 11:33
Annnnnyhow,
How did you get on with the BETA?
I never got a full game as I kept getting booted by the server.
The online side is all that intrests me as I never got round to completing the the last two MGS games
Beta was fine for me. Though, im still not a fan of auto aim, and hope that you can turn off that when you host in the fulll version. Mostly though, i hosted cqc knife/stun only games which proved popular.
Im worried about the game though, as im seeing many people dismiss it as pure fan service. seems to be a lot of pointless retcons.
Not really a fan service per se- the retcon you posted out, was in order to make the twist or main plotline fit together better. If youve played MGS3, MPO and now spoiled yourself with info on MGS4 plot, you can appreciate how well it all fits together now.
Personally, I find Kojima to be simply brilliant.
No, it was a retcon to fit in all the characters in this un-planned tale - even Kojima says so. But yeh, theres a lot of fan service, a lot of bringing back dead characters just to have them die again a few minutes later :cry: Bit daft really.
Anyhow, stealth players should take down bosses via stamnia to get the usual item/weapon rewards. One looks awesome too.
Dumb I know but what is a retcon?
Nabil Mishima
09-06-08, 16:54
My brother absolutely cannot wait for this game.
Member_of_STARS
10-06-08, 05:29
No, it was a retcon to fit in all the characters in this un-planned tale - even Kojima says so.
But thats exactly the point. I dont see how you can blame him, or even remotely view it as a negative thing.
But yeh, theres a lot of fan service, a lot of bringing back dead characters just to have them die again a few minutes later :cry: Bit daft really.
Some of us expected the character to come back a long time ago. And truthfully, every step I see so far in MGS4, retconning or not, is necessary in order to conclude this massive and awesome storyarch. Why be disappointed if theres absolutely, absolutely no reason to be?
Any retcon is a disappointment.
Annnyhow, in further news I got an email this morning saying my MGS4 has dispatched, should be getting it in the morning xD
Member_of_STARS
11-06-08, 07:00
Any retcon is a disappointment.
No. Considering that videogames as an artform are only ~30 years old. And that the really thought out stories are less than 15 years old.
Retconning is sometimes a necessity.
ROFL whatever you want to believe.
Ryu Kazama
11-06-08, 12:07
Received 2 of my Limited Editions this morning. Now time to play! Heres quick joke spoiler (ie. its not a spoiler): The box looks nice.
Any retcon is a disappointment.
No. Considering that videogames as an artform are only ~30 years old. And that the really thought out stories are less than 15 years old.
Retconning is sometimes a necessity.
Only if the story demands it.
Member_of_STARS
11-06-08, 13:30
ROFL whatever you want to believe.
I believe that a botched up stamp should not cost two million pounds. You obviously do.
Thats what I think.
And yes, Skeksis, in this case story did demand it.
Whatever floats a fan-boy boat.
Also, I got mine this morning too. Impressed so far.
Member_of_STARS
11-06-08, 15:34
Whatever floats a fan-boy boat.
Oh, but is a fanboy someone not content with changes, or someone who welcomes them aslong as they are necessary?
Think about it real hard, if youre able.
Ive heard from a games shop owner that it is the best game available on any console, anyone else think this?
Rofl.
To early to tell, shroom.
Triple Seven
11-06-08, 21:18
Have a look at this (http://www.gametrailers.com/viewnews.php?id=6037), Kojima making fun of DVD-9s and disc swapping.
Think about it real hard, if youre able.
Unnecessary and unacceptable. Thats a forewarning.
The Spirit
12-06-08, 12:59
Here is it folks GT review for MGS4 http://www.gametrailers.com/player/35051.html#comments_top
To me itll be the final chapter in the series & also one of the last games that I had my intrest in. Many franchies died a long time ago, Street Fighter, Castlevania, Resident Evil, Megaman & now the MGS (they surely will be revived for the next-generation) but with this game my gaming generation comes to an end, that doesnt mean I still wont play games, just my peroid have come to an end.:)
What the hell are you on about?
Member_of_STARS
12-06-08, 15:20
What the hell are you on about?
He said its a worthy end to the series and maybe, just maybe, theres going to be some more.
Personally, Id like MG and MG2:SS to be remade, but thats just me. Kojima is still young.
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Stupid AI will make or break this game for me. Since 2004, when I last played an MGS title (3rd), world has gone onwards, and stupid OpFor/BlueFor AI has since then, ruined a lot of games. From the videos, it seems for MGS3, its not an exception.
Me thinks ill be getting this game today.
Will be off to buy this game in an hour or so.
Well I just finished it. Great game, myo nly gripes were:
Codec was pretty useless, as Snake is on an unofficial mission, theres no radio support bar Otacon and one other contact. Which is pretty lame (but understandable), its just, for me the codec team is a big part of Metal Gear.
The ending wasnt what I hoped for.
seth ranson
13-06-08, 23:17
Hey you re quick.
I didn t even start yet.
Well, I got mine a day early on Wednesday. I was playing on solid normal by the way. Next thru Ill play on big boss or the boss extreme.
seth ranson
13-06-08, 23:21
Ive heard from a games shop owner that it is the best game available on any console, anyone else think this?
Rofl.
To early to tell, shroom.
Still too early?
By the way:
Am I the only one thinking this is strange?
Im getting it for œ10.
Triple Seven
13-06-08, 23:23
Well I just finished it. Great game, myo nly gripes were:
Codec was pretty useless, as Snake is on an unofficial mission, theres no radio support bar Otacon and one other contact. Which is pretty lame (but understandable), its just, for me the codec team is a big part of Metal Gear.
The ending wasnt what I hoped for.
First Final Impressions. I have had zero time to reflect upon it.
The codec, once vital and unique, has been reduced to a joke. It used to provide a plethora of comments and insights into the games (various, more than 2) characters. What has been done with the characters is... disturbing, a huge disappointment and it sadly overshadows past games. The other parts of the story appear to be affected by inconsistencies as well. Heavily so. And its not just the iPod. There are Macs and Apple screens as well.
Its a great game, but I dont know if its wise to say its the best game available, thats subjective. The graphics are intense though, but again I dont know how those compare to say Crysis or whatever. But gameplay, is pretty much the standard MG gameplay.
Alot of games have made the claim that they switch flawlessly from cutscene to gameplay, but MGS4 is the only game I see this as being true. Its very impressive. Sometimes the cutscenes look like youre about to take over playing, but really its the scene still going on, thats how good it is.
Edit: have you finished it TS?
Triple Seven
13-06-08, 23:41
SPOILER
Im facing Liquid in hand-to-hand combat on top of the Arsenal Gear rip off as I type this (PS button pause). Frankly I couldnt take it anymore and instead of waking random people I opted for the internet. After all, you got to bother someone.
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seth ranson
13-06-08, 23:52
A little off-topic about all that spoiler stuff:
We could agree on using this (http://rot13.com/) for example.
Then it s easy to read if you want to read it and impossible to read if you don t want to.
Just input the spoiler in that box and hit the cypher button. Do the same for reading it.
For a test try it with this line:
Vg f rnfl, vfa g vg?
Tbats pretty cool, thanks!
fanxr xvyyf bgnpba gura oybjf uvf bja oenvaf bhg.
ABG :C
Ryu Kazama
14-06-08, 00:24
Finished it yesterday afternoon (Friday afternoon even). I quite enjoyed the game. I do agree about the codec though. It was cool but it didnt seem to have as much use or even entertainment value as it once had. Saying that, some of the dialogue I found pretty amusing. One particular boss fight comes to mind.
I was a little off put by some control changes, namely the wall press. In some ways I prefer the old method and in others I do like the new way. OctoCamo was definitely awesome! I actually didnt know this but, if youre camo is different in a cutscene, shake the controller and it returns back to normal. I didnt realise this until late in the game when I thought Hmm, lets shake it and see if it effects cut-scenes real time. It did.
There is one thing I now need to try on one boss fight. Rumble or not to rumble! I had rumble now to try it the other, European way if you will...
Another gripe is repeated installs. I find this to be pretty ridiculous. Why do act by act installation and then redo it every time I want to replay. I just cannot see a good enough reason other than It takes up a Godly amount of room on the HD.
Graphically, the game is nice. Animation wise, its also nice. However, facial animation wise, there is a ways to go before they even reach the level Uncharted managed to get to. Now that game has some brilliant facial animation.
Is it just me, or did they forget about Natasha Romanko?
Triple Seven
14-06-08, 01:00
Is it just me, or did they forget about Natasha Romanko?
Probably not overly popular. At any rate its likely to be a good thing. She wouldve presumably married a random person otherwise.
Yup, but I guess she was important to at least mention, since she used the profits from her book on Shadow Moses to fund Snake and Otacons Philanthropy.
Triple Seven
14-06-08, 01:14
Yup, but I guess she was important to at least mention, since she used the profits from her book on Shadow Moses to fund Snake and Otacons Philanthropy.
Ill reply in the spoiler topic (http://www.capcom-europe.com/forums.aspx?g=posts&t=734).